A. The goal should be to achieve progress, not win elections
B. That involves making the case for that progress, not capitulating to popular opinion that’s been fabricated by conservative media
But that’s only if you’re not operating on a dialectical-materialist political analysis, because if you were you’d understand that real progress can’t be made through simple electoral victories. Abandoning minority protections in exchange for electoral power is how America has operated since its founding.
Yeah the goal is to achieve progress and you won’t do that by alienating a big part of the electorate to cater the minority of the 1% of the population that is trans and doesn’t understand that open support for their cause might lead to a Republican government instead, which would be worse for them and for progress in general.
cater the minority of the 1% of the population that is tens and doesn’t understand that open support for their cause might lead to a Republican instead
I’m sorry, their ““cause””? Is “we have a right to exist” the ‘cause’ you consider to be the thing alienating ‘a big part of the electorate’?
Why are you here? Go back to reddit, jesus christ.
Yes, open support by a politician for your right to exist alienates part of the electorate even on the Democrat’s side, open your eyes buddy, the trans right cause is controversial! Hell, people imagine trans everywhere at this point, just look at what happened during the Olympics! It’s not fair, it’s not right, it’s the fucked up world we live in, sometimes it’s better to shut up and guarantee a more progressive option takes power and does things to improve your situation without making a big fuss of it than to be loud and guarantee a more conservative option takes power and takes what little rights you’ve got at the moment. Unless you’re an accelerationist in which case all I would say is fuck you, but I don’t think you are!
Yes, open support by a politician for your right to exist alienates part of the electorate even on the Democrat’s side, open your eyes buddy, the trans right cause is controversial!
Trans rights aren’t up for debate you spineless chud. How could anyone suggest the democrats are a left-wing party (or expect ‘progress’) if the democrats can’t even acknowledge that trans people have the right to exist? Why should anyone vote for them if they abandon civil liberties as soon as they become politically inconvenient?
Fuck off with your transphobic apologia. Democrats can fuck off, too, if they think they can abandon minority rights in exchange for political power.
Transphobic? Fucking hell, I said that it’s not fair and it’s fucked up. Open your fucking eyes, Harris comes out and says “All trans people need to have the right to transition and to live a healthy life.” she loses tons of votes and loses the election, what did you win outside of the pride of having made sure that only people who support trans rights voted for the Democrats? The alternative is her not mentioning it, waiting to get elected and then applying pro-trans policies, which is exactly what other Democrats have done all over the USA!
Same for Gaza, better shut up and solve that after getting elected than promising to support them and losing a big chunk of the Jewish vote, not getting elected and having the Republicans (which are anti Gaza as much as they are anti trans) take power.
It’s ridiculous how many times I’ve had to quote this recently.
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate
who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace
which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods
of direct action”; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of
time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of
good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more
bewildering than outright rejection.
I’m not calling you transpbobic, I’m calling your rhetoric transphobic apilogia. Trans rights ‘not being popular’ is not a valid reason against defending trans rights. It’s not simply a matter of legislation: by avoiding the topic it gives legitimacy to its controversial nature that was completely manufactured to begin with. The longer it goes unchallenged the more states will continue passing anti-trans legislation and further disenfranchise
You’re not helping by telling people to shut up about it, you’re making things way worse.
“A big part of the electorate” doesn’t care one way or the other about trans rights. All throughout centrist apologists have been saying “most people don’t care about Palestine enough to affect their vote”, they just want kitchen table progress. But somehow when the issue is trans rights, you people think it’s some vote-defining issue that will sink the election if there’s a single trans speaker in a weeklong convention.
Just the same old fucking white moderates doing the white moderate things King talked about.
I 100% believe that it’s the same thing with Palestine and you’ll notice that no more support for Gaza was announced either. Why? Because it’s not worth alienating Jewish voters when you can use their votes to win the election and then adapt the government’s stance on the question.
Trans rights are never brought up during the various electoral campaigns, yet Democrats actually do something to help when they’re elected at the different levels of government so maybe you should get the message that is not an issue that’s popular enough to increase the popular vote and that the votes gained from mentioning it will be less than the votes lost.
A. The goal should be to achieve progress, not win elections
B. That involves making the case for that progress, not capitulating to popular opinion that’s been fabricated by conservative media
But that’s only if you’re not operating on a dialectical-materialist political analysis, because if you were you’d understand that real progress can’t be made through simple electoral victories. Abandoning minority protections in exchange for electoral power is how America has operated since its founding.
Yeah the goal is to achieve progress and you won’t do that by alienating a big part of the electorate to cater the minority of the 1% of the population that is trans and doesn’t understand that open support for their cause might lead to a Republican government instead, which would be worse for them and for progress in general.
I’m sorry, their ““cause””? Is “we have a right to exist” the ‘cause’ you consider to be the thing alienating ‘a big part of the electorate’?
Why are you here? Go back to reddit, jesus christ.
Yes, open support by a politician for your right to exist alienates part of the electorate even on the Democrat’s side, open your eyes buddy, the trans right cause is controversial! Hell, people imagine trans everywhere at this point, just look at what happened during the Olympics! It’s not fair, it’s not right, it’s the fucked up world we live in, sometimes it’s better to shut up and guarantee a more progressive option takes power and does things to improve your situation without making a big fuss of it than to be loud and guarantee a more conservative option takes power and takes what little rights you’ve got at the moment. Unless you’re an accelerationist in which case all I would say is fuck you, but I don’t think you are!
Trans rights aren’t up for debate you spineless chud. How could anyone suggest the democrats are a left-wing party (or expect ‘progress’) if the democrats can’t even acknowledge that trans people have the right to exist? Why should anyone vote for them if they abandon civil liberties as soon as they become politically inconvenient?
Fuck off with your transphobic apologia. Democrats can fuck off, too, if they think they can abandon minority rights in exchange for political power.
Transphobic? Fucking hell, I said that it’s not fair and it’s fucked up. Open your fucking eyes, Harris comes out and says “All trans people need to have the right to transition and to live a healthy life.” she loses tons of votes and loses the election, what did you win outside of the pride of having made sure that only people who support trans rights voted for the Democrats? The alternative is her not mentioning it, waiting to get elected and then applying pro-trans policies, which is exactly what other Democrats have done all over the USA!
Same for Gaza, better shut up and solve that after getting elected than promising to support them and losing a big chunk of the Jewish vote, not getting elected and having the Republicans (which are anti Gaza as much as they are anti trans) take power.
It’s ridiculous how many times I’ve had to quote this recently.
I’m not calling you transpbobic, I’m calling your rhetoric transphobic apilogia. Trans rights ‘not being popular’ is not a valid reason against defending trans rights. It’s not simply a matter of legislation: by avoiding the topic it gives legitimacy to its controversial nature that was completely manufactured to begin with. The longer it goes unchallenged the more states will continue passing anti-trans legislation and further disenfranchise
You’re not helping by telling people to shut up about it, you’re making things way worse.
Well, continue pressuring the party then, I hope it doesn’t blow up in your face, it won’t have any direct effect on me.
“A big part of the electorate” doesn’t care one way or the other about trans rights. All throughout centrist apologists have been saying “most people don’t care about Palestine enough to affect their vote”, they just want kitchen table progress. But somehow when the issue is trans rights, you people think it’s some vote-defining issue that will sink the election if there’s a single trans speaker in a weeklong convention.
Just the same old fucking white moderates doing the white moderate things King talked about.
I 100% believe that it’s the same thing with Palestine and you’ll notice that no more support for Gaza was announced either. Why? Because it’s not worth alienating Jewish voters when you can use their votes to win the election and then adapt the government’s stance on the question.
Trans rights are never brought up during the various electoral campaigns, yet Democrats actually do something to help when they’re elected at the different levels of government so maybe you should get the message that is not an issue that’s popular enough to increase the popular vote and that the votes gained from mentioning it will be less than the votes lost.
As I said, the same old white moderates doing white moderation.
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