I’m not sure how accurate StatCounter is, given that most Linux users use adblockers. However, according to it, Linux has almost a 14% desktop share in India.

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    I hope no one gets offended, but is there anyone who can explain why the indians say “Sir” like that? I mean, it’s so characteristic, I don’t criticize it, I’m just genuinely curious.

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      No offence taken, it has everything to do with how the education system in British colonies were shaped by Thomas Babington Macaulay. The effect of Macaulay is so profound, it exists even to this day, and sadly our education system hasn’t changed a lot.

      Macaulayism has everything to do with why educated Indians are so subservient to authority. It is also the same reason why uneducated goons who aren’t exposed to the education system rise to the topmost positions in the Indian polity. I am also a product of Macaulayism, just like the rest of other Indian students. You’ll notice how Indians (not just ethnically, but also with an Indian citizenship) who work abroad feel uncomfortable while not using the word “Sir” or “Ma’am”. Post-colonial mentality still exists.

      Edit: The Hindu nationalists exploits this and calls the left slurs like lutyens and urban naxals, and how they’re not proud of their heritage. But that does not diminish how real Macaulayism is, and how it’s effects have for the worst, produced yesmen.

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        Wow. This totally explains why the Indian guys I work with are such yesmen. They never question or push back in what the bosses say.

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          In addition to what they said, it is considered rude in some parts of India (TN, Andhra, Telangana, even Gujarat to some extant) to bluntly say no. People who don’t know these social cues may take a no as a yes. And people from these states are over-represented in the US.

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      It’s due to the nature of social interactions in India (more broadly, South Asia).

      In most of our native languages, we don’t directly address someone by their name, unless we’ve been acquainted before (sometimes even after, if it was just a formal acquaintance). We add a little something for politeness and respect. So it’s always ‘firstname’-ji or ‘lastname’-ji, for example, in Hindi.

      Since there isn’t a direct carry over for this in English, people adopted sir or ma’am as replacement.

      That’s more or less it. It’s about respect when interacting with someone else.

      You’ll notice that people who have been brought up in or are more familiar with western culture don’t really do this.

      EDIT: Unless ofcourse, your question was regarding the accent. In that case, most south asian written scripts lack certain soft tonal pronunciations of English alphabets, so most conversions result in hard sounding words, due to which you get the characteristic Indian (or again, more accurately, South Asian) accent.

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          Indians push these self-aggrandizing lies everywhere on the internet, from reddit, youtube, to quora and facebook. And with their population propping up these posts you have to take everything with a bucket of salt.

          The top post is saying people don’t pirate Windows there because it’s illegal, like what??? go to any piracy based forums, telegram channels, and groups, it’s full of them.

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            I don’t buy the piracy thing either but your proof is bad because there are so many Indians that they will always overwhelm in sheer numbers even if it’s a small percentage of the whole population

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        For those who know a bit of Japanese, its similar to the honorifics system in that language as it stands now. The origins have been discussed by others (class system by the British and all), but this is how it is currently used, at least in my experience.

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      Not sure about the colonial mindset or the caste practices of centuries but Indian culture is extremely hierarchial in almost all facets of life. Elders, seniors, higher officials, etc all expect to be respected even if it is just one year difference, etc.

      One of the ways to show respect it to not use names and call as sir,madam, teacher, officer or at best elder brothers/sisters for college seniors. All this works well in the regional languages of India but sounds weird in English.

      Directly calling names of elders is still seen as bad and if needed would use their name appended with sir madam uncle aunt etc.

      This is less practiced in IT field in my experience. After years of schooling and college calling my teachers sir and maam it was hard to shake off the habit. A few of my managers had to remind me a bunch of times to call them by their name and not as sir / maam in the beginning. Even then I avoidedcallintg out their names and just started speaking to get their attention. Now I almost call everyone by name by default in office setting. It is still fun when freshers join and are asked to use names of 15+ year elders and them wondering if we are joking.

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      Just tossing a guess, would love for someone who actually knows to chime in though: in their language they’re probably taught to refer to strangers with the respective word for “sir” as a formal construct, so they apply the same to English even though the culture is different, because they will probably be taught this way as sometimes happens, school teachers don’t actually pass on the cultural uses/ways of talking of the countries where the language is spoken alongside the language itself, so it’s easier to stick to plain translation in some cases