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if you want good userbase, never mass migrate from normie platforms where majority of it’s users are trolls, memers, narcissist, corpos, shills, tankies, deranged politic fanatics, and many other terrible things that doesn’t need to spread to more of the internet.
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doing witch hunts and driving away all the non-normative users because they were deemed undesirable by deranged normie redditors and then defederating entire instances for daring to give agency for free expression to said users was not a great plan
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federating with threads aka facebook, well that can only go so wrong. It kind of defeats the purpose of fediverse to get away from the whole centralized metaverse. Zuckerberg will obviously scheme a plan to take over the fediverse and centralize it with his metaverse. It is big threat to fediverse.
I also think that the Lemmy userbase should be recruited from more different places than just Reddit. The main difference is “why” - I care about norms, not normies; Reddit culture established all those shitty social norms that bring out the worst of everyone: irrationality/stubbornness, soapboxing, entitlement, so goes on.
Witch hunting is only an issue here because of that Reddit culture - because it’s what make someone
- assume that someone else is a witch, without rational grounds to do so;
- keep stubbornly insisting that someone else is a witch even after being shown contrariwise;
- screech at anyone who defends the not-witch “why are you defending a witch? You must be also a witch REEEEE”.
I think that a good solution for this problem would be instance admins and moderators to explicitly disallow witch hunting, and admins defederate from instances enabling such behaviour. (Or potentially bring it to legal grounds since witch hunting fits nicely the legal def of libel in plenty countries.) But that’s just me throwing ideas, take it for a grain of salt.
Federation with Threads is by no means a big concern nowadays, since most instances did the right thing and defederated it.
It might help justify your viewpoint if you give actual examples. What defederations were you not a fan of? What instances do you not like?
Well as a new lemmy user it wasn’t too hard to figure out what has been defederated for unliked reasons. Im not stating out of just mere personal interest as some might assume, im only highlighting that free expression (artistic values) should not be blantantly treated with oppression just because majority overules a dislike for it. For myself, there are plenty of things i don’t like, but i wouldn’t go out of my way just to deplatform something i didn’t like, only the deranged would do something like that.
Which defederations are you referring to? Lemmy.ml defederating ani.social?
Do you find yourself agreeing with all or most of this announcement
Edit: or this one?
Don’t know, don’t care to read through all that to tell you what is or isn’t agreeable. Maybe you can summerize what you are trying to convey
Don’t care to bother summarizing it for you.
Most of the Lemmy instances are defederated from threads: https://fedipact.veganism.social/
Only Lemmy.world remains, I guess their users didn’t ask the admins to defederate
‘Mass migrate’ like some sysadmin moved everyone. These were individual decisions.
‘Federating with Threads’ like federation doesn’t happen by default.
‘Witch hunts’ sounds like somebody got called out for their bad behavior.
‘Witch hunts’ sounds like somebody got called out for their bad behavior.
I can’t speak for the OP, but on general grounds:
Witch hunts aren’t the result of someone being called out for their bad behaviour. It’s when someone assumes that you behave badly.
Or, for a slightly less sloppy definition: "to witch hunt is to publicly denounce someone or something as coming from a socially undesirable group of people, without rational grounds to do so. Note that the last part is key here.
Yeah mass migration is something like taking a exchange server to 365…
The passive and undiscerning types (the majority) stayed on reddit and the more ambitious and deliberate types came here. But where would users for this specific format come from if not largely reddit?
But where would users for this specific format come from if not largely reddit?
As old style forums went out of fashion, I think that a lot of people simply disengaged, instead of migrating. I wonder if we could make this chunk of the Fediverse a bit more friendly towards those.
Mastodon would be also a good source of new users, I think. The format is completely different, but for some people preferring one or another is about their mood.
Upvote for being unpopular.
For threads to do damage, it would mean having people move off of Mastodon and onto Threads. The vast majority of people on Mastodon hate Meta. I cannot see the harm in federating with Threads.
Nobody can force people to switch, so there is no mass migration.
Almost nobody federates with threads and they don’t seem to federate anything so it doesn’t actually matter.
There is no non normie user according to your definition. Lemmy is almost exclusively tankies or things that come close to it and you get hated on for not being what counts as extreme left in the real world in most places. I don’t think you even know what most of the buzzwords you used mean. None of these are normie things.
The normie Internet user hangs out in his personal Instagram/Facebook/Snapchat/ticktock double. Reddit people aren’t normies, same counts for tumbler, 4chan or Lemmy users. Even Twitter fell out of the normie territory.
Not a single normie even knows that Lemmy exists and nobody wants to migrate normies anywhere because that’s like getting them to switch from WhatsApp to Signal, impossible without physically forcing them.
