• Dwemthy (he/him)@lemdro.id
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    Meanwhile the right is actively recruiting young men. The name “Manosphere” for their recruitment cedes that ground to them with no resistance. “That’s just how men are, they hate women and vote for Trump because celebrities tell them to.” The right is actively selling their ideology to young men, the left isn’t.

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      The left has nothing for them, the American left used to be racist and sexist too, but then they expelled the dixiecrats.

      Where do you think all that sexist racist scum came from? You think they wave confederate flags for no reason?

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        19 hours ago

        The left has TONS for men. You think men thrive under the patriarchy? Not being able to express emotions, not being able to express fraternal love, not being able to pursue “womanly” or"gay" passions. Men have rarely been more alone and less happy than they are now and left wing ideology can free them.

        The left just doesn’t reach out like the right does. We could do a much better job.

        The online left also doesn’t do a great job calling out sexism and other behaviours that uphold the patriarchy when it victimizes men. That’s pretty shameful and it’s hard for men to feel safe online in leftist spaces. In person I’ve never had a problem and people have been wonderful. But it’s a barrier to overcome that isn’t there on the right. The right says “you’re amazing because you’re a man, join us and regain your rightful amazing place that your deserve”. That’s a hard message when one side says you’re amazing as you are and the other, the side that prides itself of being open and accepting, is proud to tell you you’re worse than a bear and you shouldn’t feel hurt by that because it’s what you deserve.

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          America enforced an ideal for men that they have to be impossibly strong, stupid, brutish, and horny.

          It’s only over the past 20 years that that started to break down, but large parts of the country are still infused with those values.

          Everybody is acting so shocked because they lived in the nice parts of the country till now.

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            That’s exactly it. The right is telling them they STILL have to be impossibly during stupid brutish and horny. That’s basically what an “Alpha Male ™” is. Only the left has an escape for that toxic definition of masculinity, I’m frankly baffled at how we’re losing the fight for boys and men. I’ve never seen the left fumble so badly. But there are a lot of great men on the left working HARD to fix that, so I have hope for the future

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          The left has TONS for men. You think men thrive under the patriarchy?

          The fact that you’re using the word “patriarchy” already contradicts the first sentence, lol. Your whole paradigm rests on a foundation of “all the bad stuff is ultimately male-caused”. It’s your version of original sin, except that ironically there’s actually a path to redemption for religion’s original sin. Your version can’t be redeemed–you’ll always see males as the enemy. Your worldview literally requires it.

          The left has TONS of one specific thing for men and boys: contempt.