Doxxing can be done correctly, and in this case it was. The guy literally opened the door and pepper sprayed someone, he clearly lives there. I agree it’s important to target it correctly, and I too dislike when people erroneously target the wrong people with it (Boston Bomber Reddit Moment comes to mind).
Any other tool can be poorly used as well, people shouldn’t stop concealed carrying because some other people hit innocent bystanders in the past with theirs. They should train and use force responsibly. Writing off an entire method of dealing with fascists because some morons have used it irresponsibly in the past is a reductive and silly take.
It’s inherently risky because online data can be stale. It’s inherently terroristic because you are essentially saying “hey anyone, go do anything in a normal neighborhood, your enemy is there”. What if there’s a shootout of Fuentes front yard and a bystander is killed? That’s net positive violence for the community that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
As you said, reddit Boston bomber. That’s another alternative if online sleuthing goes wrong.
Back to my original point: doxxing high profile maga types will popularize the activity, and once they latch on in response they will do it with zero care or caution. You may say they are doing it already, I’m saying once it’s plastered across their nrws feeds they will do it a whole lot more.
That’s MORE net new innocent people put in harms way.
There are effective and existing ways to carry out whatever violence or vengeance or self defence. Doxxing isn’t one of them. Being trained in concealed carry and using a gun is not alike doxxing. Doxxing is like a bomb.
Being armed is fine. Looking after your people is great. Not taking any shit is great. If you feel you need to confront people, do it with a level of accuracy.
I guess we just disagree on what doxxing is. When done correctly it’s just someone’s specific address or other info being posted publicly, it doesn’t have to be associated with a call to violence it’s more likely that people just stand outside his house with signs. It’s also not targeted at a whole neighborhood. I can see why you’re concerned that MAGA types won’t be as careful with it, but they can be charged with crimes if they take it too far just like anyone else. Simply knowing where someone lives isn’t a crime.
Imo when you doxx someone, it’s implied that you are directing people to go to their house and at minimum, confront them. I totally get the urge to do that with this person. He’s harmed a lot of people with his rhetoric. But even if accurate address, a confrontation can lead to violence when an angry person confronts a hateful person, on their property. I understand your point about protests on their street, but I still believe that will create potential for violence. I am not saying protest is wrong. Protest is great.
If it’s something than a protest or a confrontation, then we are talking about what? Sending dogshit in the mail at the low end, or throwing a Molotov cocktail or similar at the high end. Then my concerns about accuracy are relevant. What if the address is wrong and a random family is the victim?
Also, firebombing is not the society I want to live in, even if Fuentes as trash.
Everyone is so ready to assume I’m an apologist for Fuentes, or a misogynist telling women to just shut up. That’s not it at all, but people here are some ready for violence and so ready to be mad that what was formally a pretty popular sentiment (doxxing and swatting is bad) is now apparently different because the target is a bad dude. I fundamentally believe society is worse if we compromise our behavior because the target is a specific person. I also think the blowback of stooping to that level will result in increased harm of people who are already having a real tough go of things. What some are calling cowardice on my part is, in my opinion, harm reduction for people who need it most, and a call for sanity.
Armchair general comment.
They never happened in an American neighborhood and you know it.
Attacking Nazis in an active warzone is not the same as sending people to a random neighborhood with little proof of your event at the right house.
As I said in the comment, Nick Fuentes is trash, but so is doxxing. Innocent people get hurt when people doxx.
I never said don’t defend yourself or even take the fight to people like him. Just don’t do things that will get innocent people hurt.
But whatever y’all just want to act tough and not care about consequences
Edit saying doxxing is the right tool is like saying “if you’re shot at, leave a bomb in a public place where you think your enemy goes”
Doxxing can be done correctly, and in this case it was. The guy literally opened the door and pepper sprayed someone, he clearly lives there. I agree it’s important to target it correctly, and I too dislike when people erroneously target the wrong people with it (Boston Bomber Reddit Moment comes to mind).
Any other tool can be poorly used as well, people shouldn’t stop concealed carrying because some other people hit innocent bystanders in the past with theirs. They should train and use force responsibly. Writing off an entire method of dealing with fascists because some morons have used it irresponsibly in the past is a reductive and silly take.
It’s inherently risky because online data can be stale. It’s inherently terroristic because you are essentially saying “hey anyone, go do anything in a normal neighborhood, your enemy is there”. What if there’s a shootout of Fuentes front yard and a bystander is killed? That’s net positive violence for the community that wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
As you said, reddit Boston bomber. That’s another alternative if online sleuthing goes wrong.
Back to my original point: doxxing high profile maga types will popularize the activity, and once they latch on in response they will do it with zero care or caution. You may say they are doing it already, I’m saying once it’s plastered across their nrws feeds they will do it a whole lot more.
That’s MORE net new innocent people put in harms way.
There are effective and existing ways to carry out whatever violence or vengeance or self defence. Doxxing isn’t one of them. Being trained in concealed carry and using a gun is not alike doxxing. Doxxing is like a bomb.
Being armed is fine. Looking after your people is great. Not taking any shit is great. If you feel you need to confront people, do it with a level of accuracy.
I guess we just disagree on what doxxing is. When done correctly it’s just someone’s specific address or other info being posted publicly, it doesn’t have to be associated with a call to violence it’s more likely that people just stand outside his house with signs. It’s also not targeted at a whole neighborhood. I can see why you’re concerned that MAGA types won’t be as careful with it, but they can be charged with crimes if they take it too far just like anyone else. Simply knowing where someone lives isn’t a crime.
Imo when you doxx someone, it’s implied that you are directing people to go to their house and at minimum, confront them. I totally get the urge to do that with this person. He’s harmed a lot of people with his rhetoric. But even if accurate address, a confrontation can lead to violence when an angry person confronts a hateful person, on their property. I understand your point about protests on their street, but I still believe that will create potential for violence. I am not saying protest is wrong. Protest is great.
If it’s something than a protest or a confrontation, then we are talking about what? Sending dogshit in the mail at the low end, or throwing a Molotov cocktail or similar at the high end. Then my concerns about accuracy are relevant. What if the address is wrong and a random family is the victim?
Also, firebombing is not the society I want to live in, even if Fuentes as trash.
Everyone is so ready to assume I’m an apologist for Fuentes, or a misogynist telling women to just shut up. That’s not it at all, but people here are some ready for violence and so ready to be mad that what was formally a pretty popular sentiment (doxxing and swatting is bad) is now apparently different because the target is a bad dude. I fundamentally believe society is worse if we compromise our behavior because the target is a specific person. I also think the blowback of stooping to that level will result in increased harm of people who are already having a real tough go of things. What some are calling cowardice on my part is, in my opinion, harm reduction for people who need it most, and a call for sanity.