"The election of Donald Trump has sparked a surge of interest in the United States in South Korea’s 4B movement, a radical feminist crusade that preaches the four B’s: bi-hon (no marriage), bi-yeonae (no dating), bi-sekseu (no sex) and bi-chulsan (no childbirth),” the Los Angeles Times reports.

“Since Nov. 5, there have been more than 500,000 Google searches for ‘4b movement,’ while on TikTok, Instagram and X, support for the cause has been trending among young women voters who are vowing to swear off men.”

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    That is reducing my point to the most inflammatory interpretation.

    Some men have been very negatively impacted by the political climate of the last 10 years too. They have weathered a lot of “white man” blame while trying to be a force for good. They have voted as an ally, protested as an ally, and held their peers accountable. And now their partner cuts off physical affection.

    A man doesn’t have to be a false ally for those realities to put him in a psychological place that will make him vulnerable to conservative manipulators. It opens the door to the question “how’s your liberalism working for you?”

    Denial of physical affection is a real grievance, and outside of this protest, it is usually considered an issue that needs to be fixed in a relationship. Think hard before intentionally creating relationship issues to prove a political/moral point.

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      4B is not women witholding sex from their partners. It’s single women choosing to stay that way and be celibate. Maybe you should find out what it is before taking it personally.

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      And now their partner cuts off physical affection.

      Sex is not the only form of physical affection.

      A man doesn’t have to be a false ally for those realities to put him in a psychological place that will make him vulnerable to conservative manipulators.

      If he can’t recognize conservative manipulation then he’s maybe not a false ally, but a pretty terrible one.

      The reason I hate that your response is so common is it perpetuates the stereotype of men requiring sex to prevent then from becoming animals. It’s a subtle form of misandry that so many men force on others.

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        You are taking only the most inflammatory version of what I’m saying. Sex isn’t the only intimacy, but it is a very powerful tool for that. There are strong biological drives for sexual expression and satisfaction, and denying those leads to emotional problems—we see this all the time with homosexuals who can’t be happy in a heterosexual box. If someone has been manipulated by one of the most advanced propaganda machines ever created, that isn’t a sign that they are a “terrible” ally.

        I’m not saying men only want sex, I’m saying that suddenly taking away a biological tool for human connection that they have typically had, while also living though really difficult times, while also acting like the continued desire for sex is somehow selfish on the man’s part, is a really effective way to make someone listen to the opposing side when they are promising a fiction where men have it good again.

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              I’m saying that suddenly taking away a biological tool for human connection that they have typically had… is a really effective way to make someone listen to the opposing side when they are promising a fiction where men have it good again.

              If men don’t have the “biological tool for human connection” then they’ll “listen to the opposing side” sounds a lot like “If you don’t fuck me I’ll turn MAGA.”