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  • Blackout@fedia.io
    283·
    6 days ago

    I’d rather have people migrate over organically. I think Reddit was spoiled for me when it went from a niche collection of interesting people and topics to Facebook in a forum format. Almost anytime I go on r/all now i couldn’t tell if the posts were recent or bot reposts from 5 years ago. The smaller subreddits still keep the spirit of the place going but the general community is just another social network.

    • Elevator7009English
      2·
      2 days ago

      Part of my problem is my niche hobbies have not migrated over or are trying their damndest but 99.9% stayed on Reddit and only 0.1% is here. Lucky that it is 0.1% and not actually 0%. I do try to be part of that 0.1%, hence modding !otomegames@ani.social.

      I never went to r/all or any aggregate of top posts. I just left because some of my bigger hobby communities seemed meaner all of a sudden—wait, no, they are not meaner, they just forcibly sorted my home feed on mobile by controversial… and also the API drama, which didn’t impact me because the app always worked fine for me, but I figured with the ragebaiting, might as well dip in solidarity with people actually being affected.

    • kryptonidas@lemmings.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 days ago

      Nothing actually seems real on Reddit anymore. Comments are fake and every story someone tells is fake too. News is just pushed by propaganda algorithms. It’s all gone to 💩

      I’ll enjoy it here while it lasts.

      • Shyfer@ttrpg.networkEnglish
        2·
        4 days ago

        Everyone either seems angry or like a bot. Before I couldn’t pull myself anyway, now I get bored a couple posts into the front page and then I just check it a few hobby subs that I hope can move here someday (mostly TTRPG ones lol).

    • njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      111·
      6 days ago

      What makes this non organic? I learned about reddit on digg and Lemmy on Reddit. Seemed organic to me.

      • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
        91·
        6 days ago

        Maybe they just expect users to accidentally type in the name of a Lemmy instance into the URL bar? Is that organic enough?

      • Blackout@fedia.io
        31·
        6 days ago

        Because OP is suggesting we brigade that subreddit and actively encourage people to use Lemmy. I believe eventually the users more like the OG redditors will come naturally on their own. Like with content from Lemmy shared on Reddit or other social media. Wait for the content and audience to bring them over than to self-advertise too much too early.

        • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
          71·
          6 days ago

          Reportedly Reddit has >500 million accounts, 73.1 million daily active users (DAUs) globally, and estimates for monthly unique visitors around 1.2 billion - the latter must be like non-account holders then? (I dunno how many are bots)

          I seriously doubt that our tiny place even could “brigade” them if we tried in earnest (using humans rather than bots I mean).

          Even so, I agree it’s best to be friendly and therefore sensitive to the subject to not let that happen.

        • njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          6 days ago

          Well that seems like an idea tailor made to make this site never expand. Content follows users. If it weren’t for people saying come use Lemmy I wouldn’t be here. Nor would 99% of people. Same with reddit.

  • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
    151·
    6 days ago

    I would be interested in helping with a coordinated effort to promote Lemmy instances on Reddit. Sometimes I check in on /r/RedditAlternatives and it’s clear 90% of the people who would be happy with Lemmy have already left for Lemmy. But there are many threads where a simple “maybe check out Lemmy I like it a lot” could do a lot of help. It’s not like users need to quit Reddit but every post on a Lemmy instance (even if it’s also on Reddit) helps make our instances more appealing.

    Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea? And we could get talking points aligned as well.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      4·
      6 days ago

      !fedigrow@lemm.ee should definitely work, I’ll have try to see if there were recent posts and try to link them there

      However, be aware thar most of the mods are going to remove mentions of Reddit alternatives.

    • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      4·
      6 days ago

      Perhaps setting up a community here to link to such threads could be a useful idea?

      Sounds like a great idea! Any reason these couldn’t be posted right here in !fedigrow@lemm.ee? I think promoting the fediverse and growing the userbase falls well within the scope of c/fedigrow.

      • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
        2·
        5 days ago

        Certainly would fit here but a dedicated space I think would function better for coordinating a specific task.

  • hono4kami@slrpnk.netEnglish
    15·
    6 days ago

    Most popular thread

    only 94 points

    I say let them try the website themselves. If they liked using that website, then it’s okay. If they don’t like it then it’s okay too, maybe they’ll try lemmy out.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      112·
      6 days ago

      A comment saying

      Lemmy is federated, with communities scatered around different servers. If someone is gonna search for an alternative to reddit, I doubt they want to have to learn to navigate the fediverse.

      Currently has 15 votes, while my comment suggesting people to try Lemmy as it’s bigger is down to 2.

      I’m not sure if Lemmy just has a very bad reputation over there in general, or if Discuit people are brigading the comments

      • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
        15·
        6 days ago

        People find the “which ‘Gaming’ community is the real one?” issue very frustrating, because they currently have the illusion that they have access to everything all in one place. The idea that you can’t have a discussion with a million other people is meaningless to them, totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.

        They look at Reddit, and they look at Lemmy, and they see that they’re different, but don’t really care why. They see that different (not more, just different) effort is required to navigate the space. They don’t care that they just need a different mental model to understand the space – they don’t want one. And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.

        I’m not going to get up on my soapbox and rant and rave about this today – I’m too tired, and it’s too busy of a week – but this is what I mean when I keep saying we can’t win against centralized social media by aping the UI. “Lemmy” just isn’t a Reddit replacement in the same way that another centralized service is. A Lemmy-based website, sure. But not the network of them.

        • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
          6·
          6 days ago

          totally crushed under the weight of FOMO.

          Wouldn’t they have FOMO by not following /r/Gaming, /r/Games, /r/Videogames, etc. as well?

          And the design language of the space communicates to them that they don’t need one.

          They don’t really need one. They can just open https://vger.app/ , see that it’s quite similar to what Apollo used to be, then have a look around and see if they like it. They don’t need to understand federation to lurk. They don’t need to understand federation to install an app.

          If they click on the vote or comment buttons, Voyager suggests them to register an account on Lemm.ee. Again, no need to understand what federation is to get it running.

        • Peppycito@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          12·
          6 days ago

          It could be that a first glance at lemmy is total shit. The “front page” is a hot mess, half in German with piles of pervy anime and Linux posts. It might be hard to believe, but not everyone likes that stuff. It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.

          • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
            7·
            6 days ago

            But that’s just it, “Lemmy’s” front page isn’t like that. There’s no “Lemmy” front page. There’s a thousand different ones.

            Reddit is a website. Lemmy is a potentially unlimited, constantly changing, number of websites. They’re not directly comparable.

              • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
                3·
                5 days ago

                So, what we mean by “Lemmy”, then, is the circle of 5 - 10 largest, unfocused “general interest” Lemmy-based sites?

                Because front page of startrek.website and ttrpg.network look quite a bit different. The All page of ttrpg.network is meaningfully, though not radically, different from the All pages on those sites. And you’ve already mentioned beehaw, which probably should be seen as a better model for how to operate a Lemmy-based website. leminal.space also has a fairly long block list, and its All page is also meaningfully different and less grating than seen on the Big 5.

                It looks different depending on which site you’re using. Unless you restrict yourself to the sites that do everything the same as one another.

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                2·
                6 days ago

                You get an ENORMOUSLY different feed checking out lemmy.ml though.

                Also extremely relevant: the top instance hit by a Google search of “Lemmy” is that instance (even though DuckDuckGo pushes Lemmy.World higher).

                Therefore, to a non-tech enthusiast, “Lemmy” = that instance. We can argue that it should not be, but it is what it is.

                • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  As always, that’s why people should always give one of the instances above when they mention Lemmy, to avoid people having to look up themselves

          • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            6 days ago

            Exactly this. Lemmy isnt that great if you’re not into few specific topics. My ban/blacklist is HUGE. It took a ton of work to make it so every other post isn’t anime porn/fantasy fulfillment and suggestions to switch to Linux. If I’m being honest I still browse reddit in an app because otherwise I’ve run out of things to see on Lemmy in about 20 minutes each day.

            • Elevator7009English
              1·
              2 days ago

              I only use Subscribed and sometimes Local on topic-specific instances. Do I run out of new stuff to see? Sure. But that is fine, there are other things to do with my time than scroll on social media. (Content discovery through !newcommunities@lemmy.world or just hopping around on the community list of an instance. But frankly, it is internet funtime, not meaningful inform myself time, so even if I only stuck to my few communities and buried my head in the sand—which to be honest is the majority of my strategy to avoid drowning in politics and angry/depressing memes that inevitably circle back to politics—it would be just fine.)

            • Rhaedas@fedia.io
              4·
              6 days ago

              It is interesting how people get different results. My process has been to simply block a user or instance when it’s obvious nothing from there will ever be interesting to me. I haven’t had to do that a lot though, and I don’t see any of what you suggest. Then again, while I see mostly Lemmy content, I use Mbin, so perhaps that’s part of it as well. Some instances might preblock better than others.

              I do think the learning curve is higher than traditional social media. Not that it’s hard, but the average person wants a plug and play without having to do anything. The caveat of having a preset curation of “safe” feed is that most people don’t explore past that, and it’s the random stuff that wanders in that makes things more interesting.

              • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                6 days ago

                I think a difference between us is you block instances. I agree with the idea, but I’m hesitant to block whole instances for fear of weeding out some actually good people. I will block communities that I have zero interest in tho.

                • Kichae@lemmy.caEnglish
                  2·
                  5 days ago

                  An instance block in your user settings just filters out all of the communities from thst instance. So, if you’re worried about not seeing comments from users on those sites, don’t be.

              • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                21·
                6 days ago

                You are on an instance running Mbin, which iirc sorts things entirely differently, using Mbin (& Kbin)-only “Boosts” that ignore the external upvotes that Lemmy uses.

                But more importantly, it looks like a lot of the most extremist content is being removed from your instance even before you have to make that call on your own. e.g. without an account I can see that the last post from https://fedia.io/u/@yogthos@lemmy.ml was a month ago, wheres if you follow the link you’ll see that they made two posts and two more comments within the last hour. They are extremely prolific!!!

                So e.g. you can read posts about those posts - like this one: https://fedia.io/m/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works/t/1454997/Tankie-believes-women-s-rights-in-Afghanistan-are-the-same-as - but if you search for the title you won’t see the actual post, as your instance seems to have banned it. The rest of the community is there (https://fedia.io/m/worldnews@lemmy.ml), minus this account. I don’t see anything about this in a Lemmy modlog, but I don’t know how to check that for Mbin (especially without an account?).

                This is one of those times where how the Fediverse works is not just like email:-) - unless like Google would refuse to send or receive emails to/from Tim Cook of Apple 🍏🍎:-).

          • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
            3·
            6 days ago

            It takes heavy curating to get a moderately personally interesting feed and very few people are going to do that.

            That’s a valid point. We should probably get a Chill feed, and as much as some people would hate to not see news, politics and tech in there, that could help.

            A small list I just curated that could be in there

            • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
              2·
              6 days ago

              There is https://piefed.social/topic/chilling:-). It is too early to be recommending PieFed for a mainstream non-technical person to make an account on, but perhaps you could use that as an example to represent what such a feed could look like?

              Though I for one am loving PieFed so far:-). I do have to fall back onto Lemmy quite often for tasks such as searching or performing mod duties or previewing how content will look prior to posting, but there are so many things that PieFed can do that Lemmy cannot. Like resolve 50 notifications with one button press, and either enable or disable notifications on a per-item basis (a comment or post or even an entire community, whatever), and block all users from an instance, and it embeds YouTube to show a preview and watch without leaving the site (in fairness, Tesseract likewise can do the latter for Lemmy, and also uniquely adds doing that for Loops videos as well - see it in action here).

              For people who like to fine-tune the control of their environment, regardless of whether they use Arch Linux btw, PieFed is really awesome… so long as you know how to fall back onto a Lemmy (Mbin?) when you need it. i.e. for the early adopter mindset it’s a great (almost) daily driver already. And this even without knowing how to code, but for someone wanting to run their own instance it’s even more amazing since it uses Python rather than Rust for the back-end. (There’s also Sublinks that uses Java, but no developments have been announced for a long time due to family issues by the main developer).

              • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
                3·
                6 days ago

                Like resolve 50 notifications with one button press

                Lemmy has a “mark all read” button, I might be missing something here?

                • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  Lemmy has a “mark all read” button

                  A button I have accidentally pressed on at least three occasions. Apologies to everyone who posted a comment I was “going to reply to at some point”, which are now lost among hundreds of other comments.

                • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
                  1·
                  5 days ago

                  Hrm, I don’t see it - does it only show up when there are (multiple) notifications? If so then it is me who is missing something here.

                  Oh, Voyager has such a button I see. Above, I meant the base Lemmy web UI.

      • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        6·
        6 days ago

        I think it could be the “Tankie Devs” FUD coming into play. People don’t understand the devs don’t control anything other than lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml, if they start injecting BS code, we could always fork it.

        But one “Devs are Tankies” comment would just scare the neolibs and centrists away. (conservatives are never joining, that’s not just a dev PR issue, its the userbase being too “left wing” for them, also, I doubt conservatives care about corporations controlling everything)

      • OpenStars@piefed.socialEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        I thought your parent comment to it was very well stated and succinct.

        e.g. you don’t have to know how it works anymore than someone needs to know how email or a combustion engine works - you simply click to go there and start reading stuff, if you like it then make an account and start participating as well.:-)

        Lemmy requires heavy curation to block extremist content if one is so inclined (as I am), but wasn’t Reddit becoming that way too when we left it? And on X I think it simply can’t be done at all. It would be neat if we could add a “political” tag to filter by (like NSFW/NSFL), but meh, it is what it is.

        Unlike some other instances, the default there is All, so they’ll see the entirety of the Fediverse (minus Lemmygrad + Hexbear) even without an account or having to click anything at all. It’s the perfect instance to recommend to the Reddit audience that is so heavily American (according to similarweb, 51%:-).

        You are doing great work making sure that people are aware of what choices they have available to them - what they do with that is ofc up to them.:-)

  • Franconian_Nomad@feddit.orgEnglish
    133·
    6 days ago

    I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.

    If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.

    • MudMan@fedia.io
      27·
      6 days ago

      Are we hazing people on entrance? I didn’t get the memo that we’re running a cult over here.

      I don’t use Reddit, but getting DMs from people telling me to use other platforms sounds like a great way to get me to not try those platforms.

      This thread made me go see what’s up with Discuit, though, so… food for thought about social media dynamics.

      • Franconian_Nomad@feddit.orgEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        Sorry, I’m not a native English speaker, but I don’t think that hazing is the correct term here.

        I know were you coming from of course, but I don’t really see the harm telling people who are clearly dissatisfied with reddit about Lemmy.

        Lol, they’re certainly not forced to join it.

        • MudMan@fedia.io
          5·
          6 days ago

          It’s the right word in context, as in for an initiation ritual.

          But still, you get the point. It’s not like we’re on an evangelical mission. There’s a bit of a difference between posting about it and DMing people, it feels… spammy? Your mileage may vary, of course, but I would find it a bit intrusive and kinda creepy, myself.

          • Franconian_Nomad@feddit.orgEnglish
            31·
            6 days ago

            Nah, I think your choice of words in both cases (hazing and initiation ritual) is pretty hyperbolic and not at all correct, sorry.

            But you are of course right, being spammy or obnoxious is obviously counterproductive, I agree!

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      11·
      6 days ago

      I wasn’t on Reddit for over a year but from what I’ve heard about /r/redditalternatives is that it’s a shitshow.

      It’s quite okay to be honest. Not that active, but that’s mostly it.

      If somebody is still on Reddit, direct recruitment over DMs might be better if there’s a candidate who might be interested.

      The issue is that to DM you have to know who is actually interested, and you’ll miss most of the lurkers. Also, this could be reported as spamming and get you banned.

    • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
      31·
      6 days ago

      I made a comment elsewhere in this thread, but I would be interested in helping out with a recruitment effort! Maybe it’s time to set up a Lemmy “get the word out” community?

      • Franconian_Nomad@feddit.orgEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        Yeah, good idea. At least some organised effort would be helpful.

        The other guy was right so, we should only inform and be helpful. Coming off as zealots would be counterproductive.

        • Corgana@startrek.websiteEnglish
          4·
          5 days ago

          Yes absolutely, it depends on the context. The overall goal of such a community I think should just be to “put it out there”, and have people on reddit at least casually aware that Lemmy exists the same way people on Twitter are (now) aware of BlueSky and Mastodon.