As of November 7, 2023 09:23 both Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com have federated with us again. Thank you for quickly reviewing the situation and reversing your decision.
We hope that Lemmy.ml will follow soon.
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To anyone who is not familiar with the situation, please read our previous post for context.
Please do not say anything hateful toward the concerned instances’ admins.
What happened?
A few hours ago, Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com has defederated from ani.social, following the events of Lemmy.ml defederating from ani.social on November 3.
Lemmy.World has given a censure on Fediseer with the reason being “loli”. lemmy.dbzer0.com has not given a reason for defederation as of the moment.
We disagree with anyone claiming that ani.social intentionally and knowingly hosts CSAM. We would like to remind everyone that ani.social has a content policy regarding CSAM content since day one. Specifically, our content policy states the following:
- Do not submit content depicting a child (both real and virtual) engaged or involved in explicit sexual activities. A child is defined as a person who is under 18 years old; or a person, regardless of age, who is presented, depicted or portrayed as under 18 years old.
To provide some context, the Lemmy developers excluded ani.social from the recently launched join-lemmy.org redesign without any clear reason provided. My pull request to remove ani.social from the exclude-list was denied for the reason being that ani.social is “full of CSAM”. Shortly after, ani.social was defederated from Lemmy.ml. The full story may be found on the previous thread.
Numerous threads have since spawned, many of which have comments state that there is no evidence of the claim that ani.social is “full of CSAM” and that the decision was unfair. These threads include:
- https://ani.social/post/863176
- https://lemmy.ml/post/7406051
- https://lemmy.world/post/7714824
- https://sh.itjust.works/post/8411770
- https://lemmy.ml/post/7437529
We respectfully ask the admins of Lemmy.World, lemmy.dbzer0.com, and Lemmy.ml to review the situation and our policies, and consider reversing your decision if there is no evidence that ani.social intentionally and knowingly hosts CSAM.
What now?
If you are a user of ani.social and wish to see content from Lemmy.World and lemmy.dbzer0.com, we kindly ask you to move to a different instance that is federated with all three instances.
If you are a user of Lemmy.World or lemmy.dbzer0.com and wish to see content from ani.social, we kindly ask you to send a request to your respective admins to reverse their decisions after reviewing the situation.
To all other Fediverse instance admins, we kindly ask you to carefully review our instance and its policies before defederating from us.
To all ani.social users, please do not forget to report content that violates our content policy.
My personal thoughts
As the admin of ani.social, I sincerely apologize to all our users regarding the defederation from three major Lemmy instances. I believe that this is my fault for not communicating our policies clearly enough. I will continue working toward a solution regarding this matter so please be patient.
Thank you for reading this, and I appreciate everyone’s support.
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I am guessing that the dbzer0 defederation was automated as I think they just follow world’s blocklist (or at least used to).
I find it surprising how quick to defederate these instances are. There seems to be no actual checking of the contents of the instance prior to pulling the defederation trigger. In my time here I have not seen anything that wouldn’t be at home on reddit for instance. I feel like these admins are becoming even more censor-happy than the faceless giant corporation. It is entirely their right to defederate if they want, but it is frustrating and damaging to developing these communities on the fediverse.
Thanks hitagi for the work you have done in the background on this and I am hopeful that this won’t continue to spiral. However, I plan on constructively trying to build communities here if they aren’t going to be welcome elsewhere.
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When it comes to tags like ‘loli’ or ‘csam’ a lot of instances are quick to react. So that’s what happened today with ani.social.
Feel free to check on fediseer which instances we (lemmy.world) defederated with.
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Ok so I made a mistake. I followed dbzer0’s instance for censures but I have yet to see any proof of csam or even loli content. Again, apologies but when it comes to csam or loli we’re usually quick to act.
BTW I see dbzer0 has removed the censure as well.
Edit: you have cookiejarobserver commenting in this thread, talking shit again. Just have a look at his modlog or his history on burggit.moe - an instance that is widely defederated with for loli and CP content.
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Who even cares, fuck those guys.
Lemmy.world revealed how far they have their heads jammed waaaaaay up their own assholes when they released their new TOS and were patting themselves on the back about it. Then, in true Le Reddit fashion, anyone in the comments section who dared to question that decision was getting mass down voted by brainless sycophants. Lemmy.world got lucky by being the most visible and attracting the most users this past summer, but it doesn’t make them inherently special, which they clearly now believe they are.
The Fediverse is a new opportunity for internet discussion to feel free and open again rather than confined by kowtowing to corporate interests. These instances defederating from ani.social is forewarning to any users with their heads up that they are just places to avoid anyway.
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