Yumiella said something like “it takes a party of lvl 60 to defeat the demon lord”, and assuming an exponential exp to level function (as with most video games), I suppose the demon lord should be around level 75 or so. It’s just a quick estimation based on a half-remembered line from the anime though. But regardless, given that Patrick has just gotten to level 60, and was implied to be the hardest-working among the cast, I suppose Alicia and co’s average level is less than that. Perhaps level 50?
Alicia & Co. trying to defeat Yumiella if she was the actual hidden boss would be difficult indeed.
I’m curious as to what might lead to this. Perhaps Yumiella herself got roped in by the story to become the hidden boss. Perhaps Patrick gets killed, with Yumiella herself being framed for it. At any rate, she’d easily be casted as the true end boss, and entire armies across all kingdoms and nations will be sent to defeat her.
If I am remembering the first episode correctly, it was only after the MC realized that they isekaied into Yumiella that they started to grinding to level 99. If I am going by my earlier estimate of level 75 for the demon lord, Yumiella should be a few handful of levels above that, but perhaps not at the level cap.
But then again, from my experience of JRPGs, hidden bosses are way harder than end-of-story content. For example, Omega Weapon is way harder than Ultimecia in Final Fantasy 8. If we’re taking that into account, Yumiella might as well be at the level cap and then her stats artificially pumped up to increase the difficulty. She’d then spam the hell out of her abilities just to keep the players on their toes or something.
Considering the mention of a party being recommended to be at least level 60 before fighting the Dark Lord, plus some of the things that happen on Book 3 without spoiling anything, the original boss-version Yumiella never was close to the level cap, so my guess would be:
Current anime party close to but not up to level 60
Dark Lord at about level 65
Game Yumiella at about level 70
So yeah, Our Yumiella should be able to easily defeat the Dark Lord at this point.
Now, entering Book 3 heavy Spoiler territory (don’t look if you haven’t read it) to further justify these numbers:
spoiler
Yumiella 2 was the only Boss Yumiella survivor on the multiverse branch beating the Hero party because she used our Yumiella leveling techniques, so she was much stronger than normal boss Yumiella, but was still weaker than OUR Yumiella, so she never broke the level cap. That leaves my estimate of her level on Book 3 at somewhere above level 70 up to 80, maybe something in the lower 80s, but lower than level 90.
My takeaway here is that Game Yumiella is pretty much possible to beat given enough patience, lol!
Just grind way past level 70, outfit your party with the best gear in the game, and you’re good to go! But then again, everyone making a big deal about how Our Yumiella has reached level 99 may perhaps mean that gaining levels above a certain point (let’s just assume level 60) the exp needed to gain one level is so insane, and mobs don’t give enough exp.
I’m just spitballing here though, but I’m glad that my quick guess from what we’re given in the anime (and some basic assumptions) doesn’t seem that far off.
As Yumiella herself explained i think on episode 1, you can beat the Dark Lord when you’re after certain level with strategy and good playing, but Game Yumiella pretty much needed brute force. This pretty much reflects the experience on many JRPGs (most of my experience on these is with Final Fantasy where it amply applies), you can beat the Final Boss with strategy and the right combination of skills and whatever without needing to grind much, but when there’s a hidden boss you goddamn better grind a lot and level up to even have a remote chance, damn your skills and all that. Game Yumiella seems to be in this exact spot. The things on Book 3 that i mention help in determining the levels but we just don’t know for sure without the author explicitly giving numbers anywhere (anyone around with the right connections wanna ask for us? Pretty please? 😄)
but when there’s a hidden boss you goddamn better grind a lot and level up to even have a remote chance, damn your skills and all that
HAHA! That pretty much sums up my own personal experience in fighting hidden bosses in FF7, FF8 and FF9. Not sure if there’s still such a tradition in more modern FF games tho. But man, I remember having to grind card games in FF8 just to gather enough cards to turn into consumable items just to give me a chance of lasting so many turns in the Omega Weapon fight. In FF9, I had to play that stupid Chocobo minigame for hours on end just to gather the materials. Ahem. I’m rambling. But yeah, I agree. Grinding is but the start with such hidden bosses. You grind for levels, you grind for equipment, you grind for materials and consumables all for a chance of defeating the hidden boss.
Going back on topic though, thinking about it from the author’s POV, it might be more helpful if they don’t give specific numbers or even a narrow range of figures to keep their options open (the LN is still ongoing, right).
Heh, i might not be a nut like Yumiella but i do kinda enjoy all that 😄
As for the novels yes, there’s 6 volumes published in Japan and ongoing, the J-Novel Club official translation is up to Book 4, with Book 5 to be released at the end of May. Beware because the book covers and descriptions themselves kinda are spoilers (more the descriptions, the covers are more like intense teasers 😜)
Yumiella said something like “it takes a party of lvl 60 to defeat the demon lord”, and assuming an exponential exp to level function (as with most video games), I suppose the demon lord should be around level 75 or so. It’s just a quick estimation based on a half-remembered line from the anime though. But regardless, given that Patrick has just gotten to level 60, and was implied to be the hardest-working among the cast, I suppose Alicia and co’s average level is less than that. Perhaps level 50?
I’m curious as to what might lead to this. Perhaps Yumiella herself got roped in by the story to become the hidden boss. Perhaps Patrick gets killed, with Yumiella herself being framed for it. At any rate, she’d easily be casted as the true end boss, and entire armies across all kingdoms and nations will be sent to defeat her.
I was speculating that if playing the game, an actual player fighting the hidden boss Yumiella would be unfairly difficult if she was level 99.
Ahh, I see~
If I am remembering the first episode correctly, it was only after the MC realized that they isekaied into Yumiella that they started to grinding to level 99. If I am going by my earlier estimate of level 75 for the demon lord, Yumiella should be a few handful of levels above that, but perhaps not at the level cap.
But then again, from my experience of JRPGs, hidden bosses are way harder than end-of-story content. For example, Omega Weapon is way harder than Ultimecia in Final Fantasy 8. If we’re taking that into account, Yumiella might as well be at the level cap and then her stats artificially pumped up to increase the difficulty. She’d then spam the hell out of her abilities just to keep the players on their toes or something.
Considering the mention of a party being recommended to be at least level 60 before fighting the Dark Lord, plus some of the things that happen on Book 3 without spoiling anything, the original boss-version Yumiella never was close to the level cap, so my guess would be:
So yeah, Our Yumiella should be able to easily defeat the Dark Lord at this point.
Now, entering Book 3 heavy Spoiler territory (don’t look if you haven’t read it) to further justify these numbers:
spoiler
Yumiella 2 was the only Boss Yumiella survivor on the multiverse branch beating the Hero party because she used our Yumiella leveling techniques, so she was much stronger than normal boss Yumiella, but was still weaker than OUR Yumiella, so she never broke the level cap. That leaves my estimate of her level on Book 3 at somewhere above level 70 up to 80, maybe something in the lower 80s, but lower than level 90.
My takeaway here is that Game Yumiella is pretty much possible to beat given enough patience, lol!
Just grind way past level 70, outfit your party with the best gear in the game, and you’re good to go! But then again, everyone making a big deal about how Our Yumiella has reached level 99 may perhaps mean that gaining levels above a certain point (let’s just assume level 60) the exp needed to gain one level is so insane, and mobs don’t give enough exp.
I’m just spitballing here though, but I’m glad that my quick guess from what we’re given in the anime (and some basic assumptions) doesn’t seem that far off.
EDIT: Fixed misleading punctuation.
As Yumiella herself explained i think on episode 1, you can beat the Dark Lord when you’re after certain level with strategy and good playing, but Game Yumiella pretty much needed brute force. This pretty much reflects the experience on many JRPGs (most of my experience on these is with Final Fantasy where it amply applies), you can beat the Final Boss with strategy and the right combination of skills and whatever without needing to grind much, but when there’s a hidden boss you goddamn better grind a lot and level up to even have a remote chance, damn your skills and all that. Game Yumiella seems to be in this exact spot. The things on Book 3 that i mention help in determining the levels but we just don’t know for sure without the author explicitly giving numbers anywhere (anyone around with the right connections wanna ask for us? Pretty please? 😄)
HAHA! That pretty much sums up my own personal experience in fighting hidden bosses in FF7, FF8 and FF9. Not sure if there’s still such a tradition in more modern FF games tho. But man, I remember having to grind card games in FF8 just to gather enough cards to turn into consumable items just to give me a chance of lasting so many turns in the Omega Weapon fight. In FF9, I had to play that stupid Chocobo minigame for hours on end just to gather the materials. Ahem. I’m rambling. But yeah, I agree. Grinding is but the start with such hidden bosses. You grind for levels, you grind for equipment, you grind for materials and consumables all for a chance of defeating the hidden boss.
Going back on topic though, thinking about it from the author’s POV, it might be more helpful if they don’t give specific numbers or even a narrow range of figures to keep their options open (the LN is still ongoing, right).
Heh, i might not be a nut like Yumiella but i do kinda enjoy all that 😄
As for the novels yes, there’s 6 volumes published in Japan and ongoing, the J-Novel Club official translation is up to Book 4, with Book 5 to be released at the end of May. Beware because the book covers and descriptions themselves kinda are spoilers (more the descriptions, the covers are more like intense teasers 😜)