Biden winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote is honestly not outside the cards in 2024.
Very good chance the Dems in the big red states get even more disenfranchised than normal and turnout plummets in places like Florida and Texas. Then progressives in big blue states stay home in protest, because who cares if Biden wins California or New York by 5% or 50%? Meanwhile, Biden’s running neck-and-neck across the Midwest.
He could pull a Reverse Hillary and lose a bunch of deep red states by enormous margins, underwhelm in blue strongholds, bait Trump into saying some bullshit about trade deals to hedge the Midwest, then squeak passed on electoral math.
Would be funny as hell to watch the SCOTUS revisit Bush v Gore after that.
Since you seem to lack the intelligence needed, I’ll enlighten you! It’s Trump! He will win because Democrats would rather lose than run a viable centrist candidate.
But that’s weird, I could have sworn all you blue MAGAts promised the exact same thing in 2019. Our democracy is at stake, we must vote Blue no matter who to stop fascism.
That’s weird, I could have sworn the same thing happened in 2008 and 2012 as well. I had so much {{{hope}}} but all that happened was a retail debt fueled spending spree and no healthcare. Oh right, the banking industry must have been punished for that, surely? They didn’t just shift the bubble to permanent debt like student loan backed securities and securities fraud?
Damn they said that in 1992 and we got Glass-Steagall repealed. But look we ran a federal surplus, hooray all is well!
It’s so strange, I keep holding my nose and voting blue no matter who but the US keeps getting more right wing and capitalists keep consolidating power.
Can you explain why this time will be totally different? After all, according to your logic, if a vote for not-Biden is a vote for Trump just like you say, then a vote for Biden must be a vote for Trump as well?
I mean, we voted blue so there should be plenty of examples of Democrats taking material action to reject fascism and the wholesale plunder of the working class by capitalists, right?
All i have to say is ‘project 2025’ is why it will be different.
PNAC
The K-Street Project
The Republican Revolution
Whatever swill Phyllis Schafly was pushing 40 years ago.
There’s always an ingenious conservative think tank plan to forge an impenetrable bubble around Washington DC for the next 60 years. It rarely survives contact with the first Congressional cycle unless its another big tax cut.
If it’s so much more dangerous this time around why wouldn’t they offer up multiple qualified candidates instead of putting all their eggs in one basket? It seems like either you’re wrong or they are.
I have no doubt they fully intend to enact their vision of world domination, my point and the other person above is that democrats entire strategy is to do things they want convienient for them while they improve their lives at the expense of ours while offering up breadcrumbs and espouting that they aren’t the worst option. They could legislate changes for a fair election or ranked choice voting, but they don’t want change and they don’t care about us; they treat this like a game of good oligarch bad oligarch.
If we want to get out of this rut we need to change course, and by design we will always be on the verge of the next project 2025. If you want to analogize my actions to keeping my head in the ground I would offer that you are on merry-go-round desperately trying to steer for the right course without realizing you have no agency while on the ride.
Bottom line Plastic_Ramses is I’m tired of this shit, and I want to get off this stupid ride.
We got the most left wing president since 1968 and you are over here saying “they just keep getting worse!”
It’s a war not a battle. Biden has moved left because he saw the protests in 2020 and how much support Bernie got. He got called out on student debt forgiveness and low and behold he got billions of dollars forgiven even after the supreme Court ruled to block him.
The man listens to the people.
But please, bring the criminal back into office so he can pardon himself and all his fellow criminals. So he can write netanyahu a blank check. Hang Ukraine out to dry! They don’t matter! The Palestinians are being killed!, and honestly what’s the worst that could happen? Jan 6 will never come back for round 2!
It’s Trump! He will win because Democrats would rather lose than run a viable centrist candidate.
They hated him, because he spoke the truth.
Dems are going to brick wall by running the most insufferable assholes the party has seen since Nixon flipped the deep south. Republicans are going to win entirely due to depressed turnout. And we’ll get an earful about how Bernie Sanders screwed us all again, right into the 2026 election cycle.
Ok, I think Gaza will actually do better under a Trump administration because liberals actually scrutinize Trump and rally against what he does. Whereas, we get nothing but excesses for the failures (to say nothing of the humanitarian crimes) of Biden’s administration.
Not everyone who disagrees with your conclusions or world view is arguing in bad faith. I’d say calling someone stupid is arguing in bad faith, personally.
I know what the polls say. But I can’t tell the future. We don’t know how his criminal trial will end up going, or how that will affect polling one way or the other.
You want me to say the Trump will be president of Biden loses, but the honest truth is that I can’t know that.
Nor is it even relevant to the original conversation. Macklemore’s song doesn’t have a “don’t vote” message in it. It has a “I’m not voting for Biden” message to it.
And who do you think that would be?
Probably the incumbent Democrat. Losing the popular vote doesn’t really disqualify thou gettin winning the office
Biden winning the electoral college and losing the popular vote is honestly not outside the cards in 2024.
Very good chance the Dems in the big red states get even more disenfranchised than normal and turnout plummets in places like Florida and Texas. Then progressives in big blue states stay home in protest, because who cares if Biden wins California or New York by 5% or 50%? Meanwhile, Biden’s running neck-and-neck across the Midwest.
He could pull a Reverse Hillary and lose a bunch of deep red states by enormous margins, underwhelm in blue strongholds, bait Trump into saying some bullshit about trade deals to hedge the Midwest, then squeak passed on electoral math.
Would be funny as hell to watch the SCOTUS revisit Bush v Gore after that.
Since you seem to lack the intelligence needed, I’ll enlighten you! It’s Trump! He will win because Democrats would rather lose than run a viable centrist candidate.
But that’s weird, I could have sworn all you blue MAGAts promised the exact same thing in 2019. Our democracy is at stake, we must vote Blue no matter who to stop fascism.
That’s weird, I could have sworn the same thing happened in 2008 and 2012 as well. I had so much {{{hope}}} but all that happened was a retail debt fueled spending spree and no healthcare. Oh right, the banking industry must have been punished for that, surely? They didn’t just shift the bubble to permanent debt like student loan backed securities and securities fraud?
Damn they said that in 1992 and we got Glass-Steagall repealed. But look we ran a federal surplus, hooray all is well!
It’s so strange, I keep holding my nose and voting blue no matter who but the US keeps getting more right wing and capitalists keep consolidating power.
Can you explain why this time will be totally different? After all, according to your logic, if a vote for not-Biden is a vote for Trump just like you say, then a vote for Biden must be a vote for Trump as well?
I mean, we voted blue so there should be plenty of examples of Democrats taking material action to reject fascism and the wholesale plunder of the working class by capitalists, right?
The blues will fight back this time, right? They’ll reverse the line, right?
All i have to say is ‘project 2025’ is why it will be different. That should be pretty simple.
But continue if you must.
PNAC
The K-Street Project
The Republican Revolution
Whatever swill Phyllis Schafly was pushing 40 years ago.
There’s always an ingenious conservative think tank plan to forge an impenetrable bubble around Washington DC for the next 60 years. It rarely survives contact with the first Congressional cycle unless its another big tax cut.
If it’s so much more dangerous this time around why wouldn’t they offer up multiple qualified candidates instead of putting all their eggs in one basket? It seems like either you’re wrong or they are.
When a fascist says who they are, you should believe them.
But go ahead and keep your head in the ground.
I have no doubt they fully intend to enact their vision of world domination, my point and the other person above is that democrats entire strategy is to do things they want convienient for them while they improve their lives at the expense of ours while offering up breadcrumbs and espouting that they aren’t the worst option. They could legislate changes for a fair election or ranked choice voting, but they don’t want change and they don’t care about us; they treat this like a game of good oligarch bad oligarch.
If we want to get out of this rut we need to change course, and by design we will always be on the verge of the next project 2025. If you want to analogize my actions to keeping my head in the ground I would offer that you are on merry-go-round desperately trying to steer for the right course without realizing you have no agency while on the ride.
Bottom line Plastic_Ramses is I’m tired of this shit, and I want to get off this stupid ride.
Enabling a fascist will not allow you to get off the ride.
Other than let’s keep doing the same thing I’m open to your suggestions.
Im sure as shit not going to choose the “lets get the fascist into power”, only a complete dumbass would do that.
We got the most left wing president since 1968 and you are over here saying “they just keep getting worse!”
It’s a war not a battle. Biden has moved left because he saw the protests in 2020 and how much support Bernie got. He got called out on student debt forgiveness and low and behold he got billions of dollars forgiven even after the supreme Court ruled to block him.
The man listens to the people.
But please, bring the criminal back into office so he can pardon himself and all his fellow criminals. So he can write netanyahu a blank check. Hang Ukraine out to dry! They don’t matter! The Palestinians are being killed!, and honestly what’s the worst that could happen? Jan 6 will never come back for round 2!
That’s what you sound like.
They hated him, because he spoke the truth.
Dems are going to brick wall by running the most insufferable assholes the party has seen since Nixon flipped the deep south. Republicans are going to win entirely due to depressed turnout. And we’ll get an earful about how Bernie Sanders screwed us all again, right into the 2026 election cycle.
Ideally, it’ll be whomever the most Americans voted for to lead them.
Do you think the protesters/gaza will have a better or worse time underneath that candidate should biden not win?
Neither candidate seems likely to do anything but perpetuate the genocide, that does appear to be the case.
Thats not the question asked.
Answer the question.
Ok, I think Gaza will actually do better under a Trump administration because liberals actually scrutinize Trump and rally against what he does. Whereas, we get nothing but excesses for the failures (to say nothing of the humanitarian crimes) of Biden’s administration.
That is very stupid and purposefully ignorant.
Jesus.
That’s impossible to answer, I can’t tell the future to know who will win if Biden loses.
Whelp, thanks for letting us know youre either too stupid to extrapolate on basic data or youre arguing in bad faith.
Usually accounts like this dont just outright say it like you did.
Not everyone who disagrees with your conclusions or world view is arguing in bad faith. I’d say calling someone stupid is arguing in bad faith, personally.
So you cant extrapolate on a set of data? Surely you can figure out who will be elected as president if biden isnt.
If youre unwilling to comment or participate in reality, you are arguing in bad faith. Or very, very stupid.
So pick one.
I know what the polls say. But I can’t tell the future. We don’t know how his criminal trial will end up going, or how that will affect polling one way or the other.
You want me to say the Trump will be president of Biden loses, but the honest truth is that I can’t know that.
Nor is it even relevant to the original conversation. Macklemore’s song doesn’t have a “don’t vote” message in it. It has a “I’m not voting for Biden” message to it.
This is either deep stupidity or willfull ignorance
Ie: bad faith.
Question: Johnny needs to eat a fruit, and has an Apple and an orange. Johnny drops the Apple into a storm drain. Which fruit will Johnny have to eat?
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You must not have been a civil or criminal defendant in a court room.
Let me help you out. If Biden doesn’t win, Trump wins. Trump will be infinitely worse for Gaza than Biden.
Except it isn’t? Popular vote doesn’t decide the president in the US.
That’s why I said ideally.