• JimSamtanko@lemm.ee
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    We’re not voting for the man- we’re voting for the administration. We’re voting AGAINST Trump, not FOR Biden.

    We’re not getting a good candidate. It’s the eleventh hour. It’s not happening. We missed out chance when everyone slept for the past four years. It’s Biden, or lose American democracy now. Those are the choices.

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        A good president SHOULD have policies that are popular with both parties. You know that right? It’s important that you know that.

        He’s not just a president for democrats.

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      I’m pretty sure the only options are losing democracy, just at different rates. Not to say don’t vote or whatever the libs think people complaining about Biden mean, it’s stupid i gotta clarify that but whatever.

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        We’ve been fine for the last four years. I don’t know why everyone thinks Biden can’t do it. Sure… He sucks. Dude is essentially a stale fart forgotten in a mason jar compared to nearly…. Anyone else, but this is where we are now. Becasue the system doesn’t get fixed when people only pay attention one year out of every four.

        And it’s certainly not helped when those same people think that not voting is somehow going to bring about change.

        Seriously… try and imagine that-

        Imagine what it takes to Think that doing nothing at all for three years, then whining online and urging people to do nothing during an election, and thinking…. “Yep! That’ll show-em! That’ll change shit! For sure!

        Not to mention that people are complaining about one candidate being old… verses another that is ALSO old, and a treasonous felon and a convicted rapist that will destroy democracy with Project 2025.

        And the as people telling us not to vote- think these two men are the same.

        They’re not.

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      /golfclap.

      If that’s true then you don’t care who it is, and it should be okay for Biden to be replaced, right?

      If what your saying, you truly believe, wouldn’t talking about - seriously talking about- whose the most capable of beating Trump be a discussion you’re interested in?

      And, what does that jingoistic crap even mean? “We’re not voting for the man, we’re voting for the administration”? Seriously.

      I doubt Biden can actually win in November. I’m not alone. Trumps campaign isn’t going to be on the merits of Trump. It’s going to be on “he can’t even string two sentences together! He thinks I was his VP! He thinks Putin is leading Ukraine!! Sleepy Joe! Let’s Go Brandon! Murder the libs! ‘Murica Fuck Yeah!”

      Biden has solid policy, but he won’t win on it.

      Also if he needs to pace himself now how’s he gonna fair in September and October, leading up to November?

      Has he had a public appearance that was gaff free? It seems like every time he’s doing something there’s at least one gaff. And that’s all just more ammunition for Trump to campaign on.

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        You might have been too preoccupied with your little snarky clapping, so let me say it again-

        It’s the eleventh hour. It’s not happening. We missed out chance when everyone slept for the past four years. It’s Biden, or lose American democracy now. Those are the choices.

        If you think Biden can’t win, and decide not to vote because of this- then it’s pretty much a willfully self-fulfilled prophecy.

        It’s too fucking late to replace him. We go with what he have and try and keep America from belonging to Trump.Inc.

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          Dude. We’re not even past the Convention yet. It’s not the eleventh hour. People saying the same shit as you, refused to have this conversation in the primary, now it’s too late? When should we have it? After Trump wins because Biden didn’t campaign in Michigan and PA?

          Did I ever say I wouldn’t vote?

          No. I did not. Have never told any one to not vote? No. I have not.

          Have I said Biden is a terrible candidate? Absolutely. Because I believe it to be so, with the same conviction I felt Hillary was going to lose.

          You have yet to actually address any concerns, though, instead you’re telling me how to vote and implying I’m voting for fascism if I don’t comply with your directives.

          Guess what. That’s how you convince people not to vote. That’s how you convince people “both sides” and that’s how you lose elections.

          This kind of rhetoric? It’s why Hillary lost. Her hubris lead her (and her team) to be very much like this. There was other stuff, but it ultimately came down to arrogance.