Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I’d not go this far, but let’s be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
And by “opinions” you must mean “lies”? Because all this fuck does day in and out is try to convince people that voting for Harris is bad and that voting third party is helpful in any capacity.
Yeah, we have to play nice because Rule 3 compels us. It sure seems like Rule 3 is cover and protection for these posters and a kugel to silence our criticisms of them. But the best wordsmiths among us can still call these posters out while staying in the letter of Rule 3, even if not the spirit. Thanks for calling out this poster’s nonsense for what it is, lies designed to get Trump elected.
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans “idiots.” That’s uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
Fortunately you’re not a moderator and don’t get to say what is and is not allowed. Rule 3 does allow us to say that Muslim Americans, or indeed anyone else, who votes Third Party or stays home as morons. We just can’t call you (and you can’t call us) morons directly.
Well, hey you are correct, I am not a mod. And you feel comfortable with someone saying “Muslim Americans are idiots” like that poster did, that’s on you. I don’t agree with it, but to your point, I’m not a mod.
I’m not sure why you have to call someone an idiot or a moron for anything, but that seems like something you are comfortable with. So you do you, friend.
I don’t know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn’t be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Can’t speak for shani66, but I can speak for myself. The rule says we only have to treat other members with good faith and respect. I personally think this rule is flawed. Respect is earned, not compelled. ‘Respect’ that is compelled is not respect at all. I still hate your guts, even if I’m forced not to express it in the way I want to. I think you are dishonest. I think you’re not here on good faith. And I know with certainty that there are bots and paid actors trawling these forums, spewing repeated nonsense to distract us and peel votes off our coalition so that their actual favoured candidate, Donald J. Trump, can win. Rule 3 says we can’t call those users out, at least not directly, which harms this community and allows the alt-right to spew its bullshit. But those are the rules, and it helps keep people who have legitimate criticisms from being lumped in with the troll accounts and the bots and the other bad actors.
Note, however, that the rule EXPLICITLY ALLOWS disrespectful commentary towards subjects of the article.
It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative).
Translated for you, this means that yes, we can absolutely call Muslim Americans voting third parties or staying home because Biden and Harris weren’t liberal enough for them a bunch of morons, because that is the subject of the article. I just can’t call you an idiot and a moron for voting third party because…
It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members.
The biggest flaw of these two rules? It’s OK for people like you to come in and collectively call us a bunch of murderers and genociders for supporting Biden as long as you don’t individually call us out. And you’re 100% here abusing every inch of that, while trying to literally muzzle us with the rules on topics you don’t agree with.
Sorry, ‘friend’, we’re not here for that. We’re going to keep calling you on the BS you’re spewing here until you hopefully disappear after election day, following the rules as closely as Jordon Lund requires us to to keep our comments visible.
The rule says we only have to treat other members with good faith and respect. I personally think this rule is flawed.
Take it up with the mods, friend.
I think you are dishonest.
I don’t care.
nd I know with certainty that there are bots and paid actors trawling these forums, spewing repeated nonsense to distract us and peel votes off our coalition so that their actual favoured candidate, Donald J. Trump, can win.
Cool story, bro. I’m not one of them though. But hey, you keep your fantasy alive if ya want.
It’s OK for people like you to come in and collectively call us a bunch of murderers and genociders for supporting Biden as long as you don’t individually call us out.
I’ve never said that. Feel free to talk to the mods about your issues.
We’re going to keep calling you on the BS you’re spewing here until you hopefully disappear after election
I won’t disappear. In fact, you directly inspired my new Lemmy sub that has even more third party posts and republican posts in addition to democrat posts.
You trying to censor me, just made me louder and even more convinced that people need more choices. Now even more of the choice and news you didn’t want people to see, will be seen.
Dear reader, look close at this poster’s words. They deliberately misread a statement that I think this poster will disappear after election day, mission successful or not, because after Election Day the die has already been cast. I’m sure they’ll pop back in here, possibly with a new account, starting some time in 2027, assuming we have elections if Trump wins, to spew the same bullshit in order to peel off votes from the Left again so the Right once again has a shot of stealing it and forcing Project 20252028 down our throat. But of course the poster misreads this into believing that I’m trying to get him shut down.
I have not reported his posts once, despite my clear belief that he’s skirting the rules and is actively reporting us, getting us muzzled for even minor infractions of the rules.
I do not have the power to make this poster’s posts disappear. Even if I did, I wouldn’t, because this bullshit needs challenging
In fact, like many other people this poster is attacking, the only thing I’m doing is repeatedly pointing out the visible and glaring flaws in this poster’s reasoning.
Folks, voting third party is stupid. I can say that under Rule 3. If you cast your vote for anyone but Kamala Harris, you are an idiot. I can say that under Rule 3 as well, though it’s a bit murkier as I might be considered as attacking a poster (hopefully the ‘if you do x, you are y’ construct helps). All these Muslim voters falling for the Third Party bullshit are gonna get themselves Project 2025’d right into a concentration camp and are blathering idiots if they do that. I can say that under Rule 3.
Don’t be the blathering idiot by listening to this…poster (yes, I have MUCH stronger words I want to use, but…Rule 3…). If your vote wasn’t important, there wouldn’t be massive operations by Team Red, Team Russki, and Team Useful Idiot to get you to waste it. In the Presidential Election, one of two people will take the Oath of Office next January: Kamala Harris, or Donald Trump. One of them will be another wishy-washy pseudo-Liberal with a long history of toeing the line of American ‘best practice’, who will continue to support Israel, favour corporations when they think they can get away with it, do more lip service to progressive causes than actual action, and use the other party’s bad behaviour as cover for their own. The other will be a hard-core Conservative who will take pride in tearing down Progressive ideals, who will reverse the gains Women, Gays, Minorities, and Transgendered People have made over the past 20 years, who will expel the very Muslims that are complaining about Palestine, who will reset the American ‘best practice’ into something that more resembles North Korea or Russia, who will shut down any criticism of the new normal as ‘woke’, and who has an action plan set to go DAY ONE if he wins that will make this country into a Conservative Nightmare.
Third Parties can’t win. Period. You’d literally have to convince every single Democrat to vote for Jill Stein world wide to get Stein in office with how bitterly divided this country is. Miss 25k voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Kamala Harris would be a spoiler for Jill Stein. I know this. You know this. Team Red knows this. Team Russki knows this. Team Useful Idiot knows this. Hell, Mr. Berserker here knows this. Between our antiquated Electoral College and our equally antiquated First Past the Post, NOWHERE in the USA, even Maine and Alaska, is it safe to split your vote. And the consequences for getting this wrong are so high. We warned you in 2016 that if you didn’t hold your nose and vote Clinton, we’d find out how bad Trump really is. Look at 2017 through 2020. Remember the anguish of watching Trump win and the utter Chaos Clown Show that ensued. It was fucking Halloween those entire 4 years, and let’s get frank, Biden’s struggles were directly because of that 4 year Chaos Clown Carnival.
And the Head Chaos Clown himself is back. And much like 2016, the usual suspects are out en force to shove their BS that you shouldn’t pick the lesser evil. Don’t buy the bullshit. Listen to us. You didn’t listen to us (well, them because I was one of you and stayed home after buying Nader’s bullshit about Both Sides Bad…) in 2000 and look what happened. The Afghanistan debacle, the Iraq mistake, Katrina, and one hell of an economic recession laid at the Cowboy Dunce’s feet. You didn’t listen to us in 2016, and look what happened. Scratching Climate Change from the government records, utter chaos, the Afghanistan retreat debacle (this is on Trump, Biden just followed the agreed upon plan on the notion that ripping the bandaid off was a good idea), the completely chaotic mishandling of the pandemic including firing the pandemic team ahead of time, and the resulting economic malaise, and the constant Chaos Clown Circus. Don’t make those mistakes again. Because Trump has promised us it will be worse this time.
If you live in Maine or Alaska, you can pick Third Party candidates for everything but President. The Electoral College still requires you to pick Harris if you don’t want Trump. But everything below? Your vote for the Green or Socialist or Constitution or Libertarian candidate won’t result in the Chaos Clown getting in as long as you mark the Democrat above the Republican in your ranking. Hell, mark the Libertarian, Green, and/or Socialist above the Dem on your ballot, as long as the Dem is marked above the Rep in your ranking. That’ll ensure the Chaos Clown Circus is not allowed to set up in 2025.
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who’s paying you? Guess that doesn’t matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
Muslim Americans are idiots. So are Christian Americans, and atheist Americans, and African Americans, and European Americans. Americans are either stupid and delusional, or burnt out and apathetic. Americans who are aware of the world around them and engaged enough to do something about it are incredibly few and far between.
I’d not go this far, but let’s be frank. Anyone who votes for Jill Stein is an idiot. For all the reasons you articulated that the OP put words in your mouth for. Stein is a spoiler. Nothing more. And anyone who votes for her or any of the other distractors on the Left is making a bone-headed idiotic move that could see them rounded up by Trump goon squads next year.
Oh i didn’t articulate those reasons, that was a different (and probably less cynical) person lol, but yes you are correct.
Not cool, friend. Saying that “Muslim Americans are idiots” is not the way to make your point. Ewww… Reported for civility.
See, mods? This is how this poster views our civility rules. A weapon to shut us down so it can spew its opinions unopposed.
And by “opinions” you must mean “lies”? Because all this fuck does day in and out is try to convince people that voting for Harris is bad and that voting third party is helpful in any capacity.
Yeah, we have to play nice because Rule 3 compels us. It sure seems like Rule 3 is cover and protection for these posters and a kugel to silence our criticisms of them. But the best wordsmiths among us can still call these posters out while staying in the letter of Rule 3, even if not the spirit. Thanks for calling out this poster’s nonsense for what it is, lies designed to get Trump elected.
Oh I agree. If they hadn’t blocked me recently, I’m sure they’d report some of my saltier comments.
Oh man, what did you do? I’d LOVE to get blocked by these … people!
I called him out like 50 times in a row lol
Lols. Persistence pays off, eh?
Having rules for this community isn’t about using them as a “weapon to shut us down,” but rather a way to foster genuine discussions, encourage diverse opinions, and prevent personal attacks or name-calling.
Friend, he called Muslim Americans “idiots.” That’s uncivil and not allowed. And I find it sad that you are defending a comment like that. Even tho you and I have our different opinions, I expected more from you.
Fortunately you’re not a moderator and don’t get to say what is and is not allowed. Rule 3 does allow us to say that Muslim Americans, or indeed anyone else, who votes Third Party or stays home as morons. We just can’t call you (and you can’t call us) morons directly.
Well, hey you are correct, I am not a mod. And you feel comfortable with someone saying “Muslim Americans are idiots” like that poster did, that’s on you. I don’t agree with it, but to your point, I’m not a mod.
I’m not sure why you have to call someone an idiot or a moron for anything, but that seems like something you are comfortable with. So you do you, friend.
So a way to do all the things you aren’t doing? If this is a way to parody lib civility nonsense then you are doing a bang up job.
Dude you called Muslim Americans “idiots,” is that really the way to make your point? Come on, man…
I don’t know what you mean.
I don’t know what you mean by this either. Are you saying we shouldn’t be civil and that namecalling should be allowed?!
Can’t speak for shani66, but I can speak for myself. The rule says we only have to treat other members with good faith and respect. I personally think this rule is flawed. Respect is earned, not compelled. ‘Respect’ that is compelled is not respect at all. I still hate your guts, even if I’m forced not to express it in the way I want to. I think you are dishonest. I think you’re not here on good faith. And I know with certainty that there are bots and paid actors trawling these forums, spewing repeated nonsense to distract us and peel votes off our coalition so that their actual favoured candidate, Donald J. Trump, can win. Rule 3 says we can’t call those users out, at least not directly, which harms this community and allows the alt-right to spew its bullshit. But those are the rules, and it helps keep people who have legitimate criticisms from being lumped in with the troll accounts and the bots and the other bad actors.
Note, however, that the rule EXPLICITLY ALLOWS disrespectful commentary towards subjects of the article.
Translated for you, this means that yes, we can absolutely call Muslim Americans voting third parties or staying home because Biden and Harris weren’t liberal enough for them a bunch of morons, because that is the subject of the article. I just can’t call you an idiot and a moron for voting third party because…
The biggest flaw of these two rules? It’s OK for people like you to come in and collectively call us a bunch of murderers and genociders for supporting Biden as long as you don’t individually call us out. And you’re 100% here abusing every inch of that, while trying to literally muzzle us with the rules on topics you don’t agree with.
Sorry, ‘friend’, we’re not here for that. We’re going to keep calling you on the BS you’re spewing here until you hopefully disappear after election day, following the rules as closely as Jordon Lund requires us to to keep our comments visible.
Take it up with the mods, friend.
I don’t care.
Cool story, bro. I’m not one of them though. But hey, you keep your fantasy alive if ya want.
I’ve never said that. Feel free to talk to the mods about your issues.
I won’t disappear. In fact, you directly inspired my new Lemmy sub that has even more third party posts and republican posts in addition to democrat posts.
You trying to censor me, just made me louder and even more convinced that people need more choices. Now even more of the choice and news you didn’t want people to see, will be seen.
Ironic, right?!
Dear reader, look close at this poster’s words. They deliberately misread a statement that I think this poster will disappear after election day, mission successful or not, because after Election Day the die has already been cast. I’m sure they’ll pop back in here, possibly with a new account, starting some time in 2027, assuming we have elections if Trump wins, to spew the same bullshit in order to peel off votes from the Left again so the Right once again has a shot of stealing it and forcing Project
20252028 down our throat. But of course the poster misreads this into believing that I’m trying to get him shut down.Folks, voting third party is stupid. I can say that under Rule 3. If you cast your vote for anyone but Kamala Harris, you are an idiot. I can say that under Rule 3 as well, though it’s a bit murkier as I might be considered as attacking a poster (hopefully the ‘if you do x, you are y’ construct helps). All these Muslim voters falling for the Third Party bullshit are gonna get themselves Project 2025’d right into a concentration camp and are blathering idiots if they do that. I can say that under Rule 3.
Don’t be the blathering idiot by listening to this…poster (yes, I have MUCH stronger words I want to use, but…Rule 3…). If your vote wasn’t important, there wouldn’t be massive operations by Team Red, Team Russki, and Team Useful Idiot to get you to waste it. In the Presidential Election, one of two people will take the Oath of Office next January: Kamala Harris, or Donald Trump. One of them will be another wishy-washy pseudo-Liberal with a long history of toeing the line of American ‘best practice’, who will continue to support Israel, favour corporations when they think they can get away with it, do more lip service to progressive causes than actual action, and use the other party’s bad behaviour as cover for their own. The other will be a hard-core Conservative who will take pride in tearing down Progressive ideals, who will reverse the gains Women, Gays, Minorities, and Transgendered People have made over the past 20 years, who will expel the very Muslims that are complaining about Palestine, who will reset the American ‘best practice’ into something that more resembles North Korea or Russia, who will shut down any criticism of the new normal as ‘woke’, and who has an action plan set to go DAY ONE if he wins that will make this country into a Conservative Nightmare.
Third Parties can’t win. Period. You’d literally have to convince every single Democrat to vote for Jill Stein world wide to get Stein in office with how bitterly divided this country is. Miss 25k voters in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Kamala Harris would be a spoiler for Jill Stein. I know this. You know this. Team Red knows this. Team Russki knows this. Team Useful Idiot knows this. Hell, Mr. Berserker here knows this. Between our antiquated Electoral College and our equally antiquated First Past the Post, NOWHERE in the USA, even Maine and Alaska, is it safe to split your vote. And the consequences for getting this wrong are so high. We warned you in 2016 that if you didn’t hold your nose and vote Clinton, we’d find out how bad Trump really is. Look at 2017 through 2020. Remember the anguish of watching Trump win and the utter Chaos Clown Show that ensued. It was fucking Halloween those entire 4 years, and let’s get frank, Biden’s struggles were directly because of that 4 year Chaos Clown Carnival.
And the Head Chaos Clown himself is back. And much like 2016, the usual suspects are out en force to shove their BS that you shouldn’t pick the lesser evil. Don’t buy the bullshit. Listen to us. You didn’t listen to us (well, them because I was one of you and stayed home after buying Nader’s bullshit about Both Sides Bad…) in 2000 and look what happened. The Afghanistan debacle, the Iraq mistake, Katrina, and one hell of an economic recession laid at the Cowboy Dunce’s feet. You didn’t listen to us in 2016, and look what happened. Scratching Climate Change from the government records, utter chaos, the Afghanistan retreat debacle (this is on Trump, Biden just followed the agreed upon plan on the notion that ripping the bandaid off was a good idea), the completely chaotic mishandling of the pandemic including firing the pandemic team ahead of time, and the resulting economic malaise, and the constant Chaos Clown Circus. Don’t make those mistakes again. Because Trump has promised us it will be worse this time.
If you live in Maine or Alaska, you can pick Third Party candidates for everything but President. The Electoral College still requires you to pick Harris if you don’t want Trump. But everything below? Your vote for the Green or Socialist or Constitution or Libertarian candidate won’t result in the Chaos Clown getting in as long as you mark the Democrat above the Republican in your ranking. Hell, mark the Libertarian, Green, and/or Socialist above the Dem on your ballot, as long as the Dem is marked above the Rep in your ranking. That’ll ensure the Chaos Clown Circus is not allowed to set up in 2025.
Thanks for reading!
Started posting very recently, only a single point of interaction outside of politics, posts only about a specific type of topic, aggressive but very fake personality, always comments in bad faith, gets even more aggressive when called out in your bullshit, nigh constant engagement.
Who’s paying you? Guess that doesn’t matter, let you friends know you suck at this job.
How long was I supposed I wait before I start posting after creating a new account? I didn’t see any rules for that.
People who need rules so they know the edge they should walk up to are what the decay of society is caused by.