With a two-letter word, Australians struck down the first attempt at constitutional change in 24 years, a move experts say will inflict lasting damage on First Nations people and suspend any hopes of modernizing the nation’s founding document.
Sir i beleive what u just did was conflate correlation with causation. U outlined the issue perfwctly urself.
We’re factually not equal, and defence of the status quo that led to that perpetuates that inequality, again begs the question of whether the inequality is genetic
Worse by which metrics is a very important point. Lower educarion for instance is correlated with being indiginouse but its also correlated with bwing poor which is also correlated with a million other things.
Fundamentaly by framing it as an issue of race we arent making anything better. And we for sure arnt making equality. What you are implying is by tackling the racial issue we are takling the causational root of all these issues.
It has bewn provwn time a rime again that u cant fix a problem rampent in any minority by simply throughing money or power at it one must methodicaly go through every single issue one by one and fix it.
Why dont we start with education then move to wealth inequality then we can reevaluate the measurable difference at that point. We have had variouse advisory bodies for many years at this point many of them have done nothing except act as a virtue signal for the holyer than thou type (you).
How aboit u propose a measurable solution instead of just calling everyone racist and getting ur nickers in a twist.
First up, sorry if I’m misunderstanding anything you’re saying - I’m sure you realise your spelling is a dumpster-fire that makes it difficult to parse what you’re saying at times.
Worse by which metrics is a very important point.
As I said - choose - it doesn’t make much difference. They’re worse off by just about any metric you care to examine - infant mortality, life expectancy, incarceration rates, wealth, homelessness, employment rates, educational attainment and outcomes to name a few…
Lower educarion for instance is correlated with being indiginouse but its also correlated with bwing poor which is also correlated with a million other things.
Correct - this is all intersectional, and don’t get me wrong - I’m all for solving for wealth inequality, but why is the indigenous population’s mean household income 62% of that of the non-indigenous population? Feel free to do my job for me and chase the "why"s down to genetics or systemic failures that need to be addressed with methods other than the ones in place today that clearly aren’t working.
Fundamentaly by framing it as an issue of race we arent making anything better. And we for sure arnt making equality.
We have a group of people that are materially worse off by almost any metric (whose land we’ve stolen, and genocided them) - why is it unreasonable to isolate this problem and seek to address it, while isolating the poor and seeking to address those problems is fine? We have issues with race, gender, wealth, even fucking height - this is a particularly egregious one, and ignoring the fact that indigenous Australians are so much worse off defends the current, massively racist status-quo
What you are implying is by tackling the racial issue we are takling the causational root of all these issues.
No I’m absolutely not - what on earth gave you this impression? As far as I’m concerned, the root causes are colonialism, capitalism, and racism. All I’m doing is advocating for indigenous Australians to have a greater say in issues that affect them because they’re more likely to understand those issues than some white private-schoolboy that’s barely stepped outside Canberra or Sydney (while they’ve been in Australia, at least).
It has bewn provwn time a rime again that u cant fix a problem rampent in any minority by simply throughing money or power at it one must methodicaly go through every single issue one by one and fix it.
So “shut up and wait - we’ll fix the issues we’ve created for you that we’ve failed to address over the course of two centuries without enfranchising you, investing in you, or acknowledging you as a distinct racial bloc with distinct issues”? Absolute nonsense.
Why dont we start with education then move to wealth inequality then we can reevaluate the measurable difference at that point. We have had variouse advisory bodies for many years at this point many of them have done nothing except act as a virtue signal for the holyer than thou type (you).
While I’m not opposed to helping them with education (without acknowledging them as a distinct group with distinct issues or throwing any money at the problem?) I’d rather partner with the indigenous community to do so. Deferring to the variety of current and historical advisory bodies allows the government to simply select a group that aligns with their agenda, and do whatever suits them. I’ll simply point to the current, massive inequality as an indicator of how well that approach is working. If I’m being holier than thou for pointing out the current approach doesn’t work and wanting to give the affected stakeholders a voice in the solutions to issues affecting them, fuck me, I guess.
How aboit u propose a measurable solution instead of just calling everyone racist and getting ur nickers in a twist.
Maybe start with the voice to parliament, eh? Was it not clear that was what I’m advocating for? You seem well meaning, but fuck me this is dumb.
Sir i beleive what u just did was conflate correlation with causation. U outlined the issue perfwctly urself.
Worse by which metrics is a very important point. Lower educarion for instance is correlated with being indiginouse but its also correlated with bwing poor which is also correlated with a million other things.
Fundamentaly by framing it as an issue of race we arent making anything better. And we for sure arnt making equality. What you are implying is by tackling the racial issue we are takling the causational root of all these issues.
It has bewn provwn time a rime again that u cant fix a problem rampent in any minority by simply throughing money or power at it one must methodicaly go through every single issue one by one and fix it.
Why dont we start with education then move to wealth inequality then we can reevaluate the measurable difference at that point. We have had variouse advisory bodies for many years at this point many of them have done nothing except act as a virtue signal for the holyer than thou type (you).
How aboit u propose a measurable solution instead of just calling everyone racist and getting ur nickers in a twist.
First up, sorry if I’m misunderstanding anything you’re saying - I’m sure you realise your spelling is a dumpster-fire that makes it difficult to parse what you’re saying at times.
We have a group of people that are materially worse off by almost any metric (whose land we’ve stolen, and genocided them) - why is it unreasonable to isolate this problem and seek to address it, while isolating the poor and seeking to address those problems is fine? We have issues with race, gender, wealth, even fucking height - this is a particularly egregious one, and ignoring the fact that indigenous Australians are so much worse off defends the current, massively racist status-quo
No I’m absolutely not - what on earth gave you this impression? As far as I’m concerned, the root causes are colonialism, capitalism, and racism. All I’m doing is advocating for indigenous Australians to have a greater say in issues that affect them because they’re more likely to understand those issues than some white private-schoolboy that’s barely stepped outside Canberra or Sydney (while they’ve been in Australia, at least).
So “shut up and wait - we’ll fix the issues we’ve created for you that we’ve failed to address over the course of two centuries without enfranchising you, investing in you, or acknowledging you as a distinct racial bloc with distinct issues”? Absolute nonsense.
While I’m not opposed to helping them with education (without acknowledging them as a distinct group with distinct issues or throwing any money at the problem?) I’d rather partner with the indigenous community to do so. Deferring to the variety of current and historical advisory bodies allows the government to simply select a group that aligns with their agenda, and do whatever suits them. I’ll simply point to the current, massive inequality as an indicator of how well that approach is working. If I’m being holier than thou for pointing out the current approach doesn’t work and wanting to give the affected stakeholders a voice in the solutions to issues affecting them, fuck me, I guess.
Maybe start with the voice to parliament, eh? Was it not clear that was what I’m advocating for? You seem well meaning, but fuck me this is dumb.