Girls as young as nine could be forced into marriage in Iraq, as conservative groups in parliament push to lower the age of consent.
  • ColdWater@lemmy.caEnglish
    2·
    50 minutes ago

    As if women in these countries have the right to consent or not in the first place

    • masterofn001@lemmy.caEnglish
      23·
      5 hours ago

      If they can consent to extra sprinkles on their ice cream, they can be child sex slaves.

      (Edit: I just wanna say I’m so glad I didn’t need the /s for people to… Wait, I hope people aren’t actually agreeing with this)

  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
    284·
    7 hours ago

    So does that align with Mohammad 's second wife?

    All religion is just a framework to be shitty.

    • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.worldEnglish
      382·
      6 hours ago

      I dont know why you’d be downvoted, people should be reminded of this often.

      The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old. According to the history he waited until she was 9 to start raping her.

      Edit: he was 53 when he started raping his 9 year old wife. Fucking gross.

      • hihi24522@lemm.eeEnglish
        71·
        5 hours ago

        I would assume the downvotes are more for the “religion is a framework to be shitty” part. I’m also going to get downvoted for a similar reason.

        Religion is justification for one’s moral compass / desires.

        You see people who think it’s morally okay to rape kids or take away women’s rights or the rights of trans people or the rights of gay people etc. These people can’t justify morals (or lack thereof) logically so they use religion to give them a false sense of rationality. Hence you think religion is a framework for being shitty.

        However, there are other people who use religion to justify “good” behavior like compassion and acceptance. These people are still reliant on fallacious beliefs, but their actions are not “shitty” so they get offended. Furthermore, others—who know people in this second category—may also think the remark about religion being shitty is not correct and is rude. That’s why it’s getting downvoted.

        Fun sidenote, we can actually formally prove that religion or at least absolute morality doesn’t matter, and that people will just do what they want no matter what:

        Proof. We seek to prove that people do whatever they want regardless of the existence of a god or absolute morality. We have three natural cases:

        Case 1: Assume neither god nor an absolute purpose/morality exists. Then a person will default to their own morals. Hence, if neither exists, people will do whatever they want.

        Case 2: Assume a god or purpose/morality exists that does not align with a person’s current morals. (For example a god that required you to strangle six puppies every year or required human sacrifice, or raping kids, or blowing up hospitals, or working in finance, etc.). Then this person will not follow that god/purpose because they are a bad god/purpose. Hence, a person will do whatever they feel is right regardless even with the existence of a true deity/purpose when that god/purpose does not share their morals.

        Case 3: Assume a true god or purpose does exist and that it aligns with the morality of a person. Then that person will be living that way anyway, so the existence of the god or purpose has no effect on them doing whatever they want.

        In each case a person will do whatever they want regardless of the existence or non existence of a god or a true purpose/morality. Q.E.D.

        I should note that while I did come up with this proof myself several years ago, I learned later that Marcus Aurelius and other philosophers beat me to the punch by several centuries. But hey philosophy is the study of understanding existence, if we both exist in the same existence we can and should be able to discover the same facts about reality.

      • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
        72·
        6 hours ago

        Edit, phrasing.

        I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse, especially when states use them to justify bullshit. Goes for western countries too.

        Some folks probably think I’m targeting

        • Yawweee877h444@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          5 hours ago

          I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse

          Right there with you in agreement 100%. This iron age mythology superstitious nonsense needs to be eradicated completely, and only studied academically from a sociological perspective for what it really is, myth, as well as all the pain, suffering, death and horror it has caused human beings, and still is causing. Fuck religion.

  • shaserlark@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    151·
    6 hours ago

    I quickly googled this and mostly found sources like Fox News or Times of India that follow some agenda.

    So here’s a Guardian article on the topic in case anyone was wondering about a commonly known source: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/aug/09/proposed-iraqi-law-change-would-legalise-child-say-activists

    Basically there are some religious hardliners that are in the pocket of Iran that want to reduce the marriage age to 9 which would effectively end up in legalizing child rape. Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“. So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

    The people suffering enjoying their liberation are the normal people as usual.

    • Ogmios@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      61·
      2 hours ago

      Opponents of this are being accused of „western decadence“

      Those damned hedonists indulging in the luxury of… checks notes… keeping their dicks out of kids.

      So basically after the destabilization liberation of Iraq politics are dominated by the same people that run Iran.

      I mean, they were destabilized liberated by the same people…

    • ceoofanarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      2·
      1 hour ago

      Sure the west and their settler colonialism massive resource extraction and so on is great. And its not like the many religious problems against say homosexuality in christian Africa can’t be directly be blamed on christian missionaries. And its also not like poverty and brutal attacks on secular nationalists in the middle east in the name of fighting communism has anything to do with modern political Islam. No sir.

      • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.worldEnglish
        22·
        6 hours ago

        [citation needed]

        State a single mainstream western political movement in which marriage at 9 is not complete insanity

        • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
          2·
          5 hours ago

          Age of consent to sex, not marriage.

          https://www.ageofconsent.net/world

          According to this, it looks like the closest country to this age of consent is Nigeria, at 11.

          If you want age of marriage, in the US, looks like four states will let you marry at any age, but require special conditions like parental approval or court approval:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States

          California, Utah, Oklahoma, and Mississippi.

          • FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            5 hours ago

            Nigeria is not “the West”

            Child marriage in the US is rare, in sharp decline and is heavily skewed towards poverty and Native Americans. Numerous political movements exist to raise minimum marriage age to 16-18.

            So again, name a mainstream Western political movement where marriage at 9 is not insanity

            • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
              2·
              4 hours ago

              Nigeria is not “the West”

              I didn’t say it was. I’m just indicating wherevthe floor is.