The “Uncommitted” movement seeking a change in the Democratic Party’s approach to the war in Gaza on Thursday announced it is not ready to support Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris — while urging voters not to back Republican nominee Donald Trump or third-party candidates who could help Trump win the November election.
The “Uncommitted” group “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing,” the statement continues. Additionally, the group is “not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system.”
Two people refusing to vote for anyone or voting for a third party has the exact same impact as one person voting for Trump instead of Kamala.
I like how you saying it makes it true.
Do you just not understand how voting actually works?
You do understand you can’t force people to vote how you want them to right? Pretty basic concept of voting you are missing.
Who’s forcing anyone to do anything? You can stay home and jerk off to how righteous your protest vote was and none of us will actually force you not to. Whether or not you recognize that it was just another vote Trump didn’t have to overcome to win is on you.
Force, coercion, manipulation maybe. Pick whichever word is right for you. If your position is that there is only one valid perspective for everyone in this country, then you are part of the problem.
You will never browbeat people into joining your position, but you keep trying and call it a good effort all you want.
If you really wanted to change third party or undecided voters opinions, I’d recommend a different approach.
I notice you left out “Persuasion.” If you think the presentation of facts regarding the basic function of our voting system is somehow force, coercion, or manipulation, then I can see why you would want to do your part to get Trump elected, and you’re a lost cause.
Either Trump or Harris are going to win the election. No third party candidate has any serious chance of winning, and nobody who actually understands how the election works thinks they do. You are ALLOWED to vote third party if you want to (see how nobody is FORCING you not to?) but doing so is just another vote the real contenders don’t have to beat. If you’re more left leaning, that means it’s a vote Harris would have had that Trump doesn’t have to beat.
The huge mistake you make in the freedom to vote is that people are free to vote for WHATEVER REASONS THEY WANT TO.
No matter how many times you say it, if I vote for the green party, I am not voting for the republican party.
I’m telling you this because your rhetoric is doing the opposite of what you think it is. Putting third party voters on the defensive, and again avoiding any conversation about why they would vote third party in the first place, is an awful way to change someone’s mind.
Calling people Russian shills or saying they don’t care what happens to the country doesnt help either.
I haven’t called anyone a Russian Shill, sounds like a guilty conscience. And again, nobody is forcing you to vote in any particular way, you absolutely CAN vote however you want, for whatever reason you want, but there are consequences. You could vote for Jill Stein, you could vote for your neighbor’s cat. Both have the same chances of winning the election, and both are another vote Trump doesn’t have to worry about overcoming in his effort to win. No matter how hard third parties try, none of them will ever, ever get more votes in a presidential election than the big two, and the more people you sway to your side, the fewer votes the main candidate you otherwise most agree with will get. Welcome to First Past the Post voting, nobody likes it but it’s the system we have. If you want third party candidates to stand a shred of a chance, you have to change the system of voting, which would be ideal.
To be clear, I completely understand WHY someone would want to vote third party. The thing is, that literally doesn’t matter. Only the result matters. Like you said, people can vote how they want for whatever reason they want, but they still only get one vote. Either your vote will contribute to Trump not winning, or it won’t. Nobody said your third party vote is a vote for Republicans, but it’s not making their barrier to victory any more difficult, they’re already guaranteed to beat any third party opponent as it is.
If you don’t care about that, and you just really really want to stage your protest and hope that Mr. Worst Case Scenario still loses, that’s on you.
No, it is basic statistical analysis of outcomes.
Does it really matter the reasoning when the goal is to force people to vote how you want them to?
You would benefit from coming to terms with the fact voting is a free choice no matter what you shout into the void.
Force?.. Are people threatening you with harm and watching to make sure you vote the “right” way? The closest to that that I’m aware of is the right-wing “poll watchers” who intend to try to intimidate people and suppress voting rights or, the FPTP, two-party system itself that.
Freedom of choice does not mean freedom from consequences. You would benefit from taking responsibility for how your decisions impact the lives of others, especially those who are not so privileged as to feel insulated from impact of a possible fascist state.
Fear makes people irrational. Like when they go in public forums and argue there is only one moral way to vote. Sounds kinda preachy to me, huh.
Hey what’s good for you must be good for me right? You’ve convinced me, tell me who to vote for to make your life better please? Is this sort of like trickle down politics?
TIL that 92 million non voters actually voted for Trump in 2020, but somehow Biden became president.
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ELI5?
no
People just make shit 💩 up because it makes them feel good, then others follow along like lemmings, and everyone wonders why we can never get shit done. Think for yourselves people.