Hello everyone,
Thinking about this as the on-boarding experience on Lemmy can be subpar, especially because new joiners have to
- find a list of communities they could like (something like this post https://feddit.org/post/6554534, but should be there as a default)
- browse All and stumble upon all the news, political and tech that we know (https://lemmy.world/?dataType=Post&sort=TopDay)
In order to avoid this, what would you think of having a “new joiners” instance, where
- hexbear, lemmygrad and ml would be defederated
- politics and news communities would be blocked at the instance level
That could help to onboard people, so that the first time they look around, they see more gardening, cute comics and casual conversation rather than another set of depressing memes.
Disclaimer: politics and societal issues are important and should be discussed extensively (they are quite popular on Lemmy, let’s be honest). I’m not advocating to hide them all, just to not show them as the first content people potentially interested in Lemmy would see.
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A political-free space is an inherently political space.
I’ve tried to read through and understand all the comments. I have certainly failed in doing that, so bear with me if this has already been covered.
Can’t we spin up an ‘onboarding’ instance? Where Local is focused on helping new people navigate and understand this stuff with focused communities to navigate Lemmy, understand Fediverse, Choose Instance, even communities run by adjacent fediverse participants like piefed, mastodon, peertube etc.
The instance could have a clear onboarding mission, with an expectation that as users become acclimatised they will move off to start trying a ‘home’ server. Their account could be activated only for a period of time on that server.
The delineation between Local, subsrcibed and All can be leveraged here to provide a safe harbour with active mods ready to guide, while allowing Lemmy Full Blast on All, so people understand the reality of Lemmy.
This would also provide an experience a lot like the experience i generally have with Lemmy, AZ is cool, sometimes a little sleepy but rarely any real issues or drama. When i’m up for it, i venture onto All, but its easy to deal with because i know i can just switch back to Local whenever i want. I imagine this is what its like for most users on medium to smaller instances.
I agree with the person yhat said subscribed isn’t that useful, i’ve found that as well. Maybe thats poor subscriptions by myself to blame for that though.
Hello,
Thank you for your comment and proposal.
The potential issue with the approach you suggest is that once people leave the onboarding instance for another one, their feed is now filled with all the depressive posts we know are usually the most upvoted/discussed. Some might want to stay in the onboarding instance forever. Heck, even I wouldn’t mind having one of my alts there and just enjoy chill content.
I agree with the person yhat said subscribed isn’t that useful, i’ve found that as well.
That’s interesting. It probably goes back to your aussie.zone being country-based. I have the same feeling on country instances, while general instances Local feed then to be too heterogeneous to be interesting.
“default subreddits” worked well for Reddit as it was growing, I would expect it to work here as well if curated well.
Granted, it did not work out well for atheism, which was a default sub and wreaked havoc on the cultural implications of openly identifying as an atheist.
Maybe keep religion out of it this time.
I think that having a “newcomers” instance is a great idea. The main things that need to be ironed out are:
(1) The limits of what is/isn’t allowed within that instance. Instead of focusing on what is/isn’t political, let’s focus on what shuns your typical user away:
- anything government-related. Presidents and wars and public policies and political parties and… you get it.
- content that TL;DR to “GAFAM/Musk/Meta/OpenAI are fucking everything up”.
- content that makes people soapbox.
- content that makes you say “humankind is fucked up”.
(2) Behaviour rules. I feel like people saying “eeew Lemmy is nasty” don’t do that just because of the content here, but also because of how users behave.
(3) If users should be encouraged to migrate to other instances once they feel comfortable with the Fediverse.
Additionally: we need multi-communities (“mutireddits”) or something similar. Having a list of communities that you can link once, and get other people to follow, would be a godsend.
we need multi-communities (“mutireddits”) or something similar.
Piefed is on it: https://feddit.org/post/6709189?scrollToComments=true
Thank you for your comment, I agree with most of it
I know that when I first arrived here I was grateful for “how federation works” guides. I don’t know how I found !newcommunities@lemmy.world but was happy I did, and I think pointing newbies at that would be helpful too.
Because I was already used to Reddit and learned magazines/communities were like that, and I moved over when lists of magazines/communities that were equivalent to subreddits were still a thriving thing, I duplicated my Reddit habits and looked for communities with my interests, completely ignoring anything outside that (aka, always shunning All/Popular) because of how much of it would turn out to be in those four bullet points you outlined.
I think that’s a good idea. We already have lots of news, world news and articles about politics here. And I always like to see this platform being used for other kinds of conversation. And not just the link aggregator part of it.
In order to avoid this, what would you think of having a “new joiners” instance, where
- hexbear, lemmygrad and ml would be defederated
- politics and news communities would be blocked at the instance level
I could see the first point being almost the default for topic-specific instances (along with not allowing NSFW material). Who wants to join a D&D, MTG, Star Wars, instance only to run headfirst into a Stalinist troll? With the caveat that I don’t see them that much unless Russia gets a mention in !uk_politics@feddit.uk.
I am unsure if the latter is needed - give people the option to subscribe or block politics, shitposts and memes. Perhaps start with the default to “Local” and have an introduction thread about it. However, I may be a statistical outlier as I default to “Local” and rarely use “All” and so don’t run into things I am not signed up for.
“Please introduce me to Marxism (and Marxist Lemmy)”, but get this, from this URL: https://startrek.website/post/18021528.
That’s the thing about how “federation” works -> it’s their content, but unless a place is specifically added to a defederation list by name, it’s also our content as well - in this case, Star.Trek.Website’s content.
Here’s another interesting proof of concept: the farewell message from a server that died 10 months ago, but their message is preserved on the internet forever for others to read, if you know how and where to look (this particular one took more than a little bit of digging to find).
You don’t use All, but especially if you did just prior to an election - of pretty much any Western nation I would guess - oh the things that you would see… yes, even from the Star Trek instance (Garak voice: especially from the Star Trek instance?:-P)
Like bOtH sIdEs SaMe
Important context here: the USA and Israel do genocide to Palestinians, whereas Russia does not do that to Ukrainians, China does not do that to Uyghurs, North Korea does not do that to its own people, etc. - just so you know. Ofc if you disagree, you will be banned from every community located on Lemmy.ml including those you’ve never even heard of, and in some cases reportedly without ever even interacting with that instance in the first place somehow, but based on a conversation elsewhere. Oh, but these rules aren’t like, written down or anything helpful like that, no…
“Please introduce me to Marxism (and Marxist Lemmy)”, but get this, from this URL: https://startrek.website/post/18021528.
That’s the thing about how “federation” works -> it’s their content, but unless a place is specifically added to a defederation list by name, it’s also our content as well - in this case, Star.Trek.Website’s content.
Indeed, but: a) defederating the Three Big Bads would have stopped that coming through and b) that wouldn’t appear in “Local” or “Subscribed” even if it is technically on your home instance.
Sorry, I must be too tired and focused on the “caveat” rather than the fact that we are in agreement on everything, so ofc in true Reddit style I had to write it as it I disagreed, I suppose? 🤡
I think I’m now obliged to disagree with you and my own previous stance. 🤪
Yes, but your message here is far too kind. Maybe throw in a KYS or best of all “well ackshually”… 🥴
Unfortunately everything is inherently political, but I can see the value of an instance that favors mainstream low controversial content.
How is !crochet@lemmy.ca political?
Your choice of using synthetic yarn rather than the superior animal based product shows how woke you really are!
Do you want to discuss the relationship between class and time-intense hobbies? Between learning/onboarding opportunites and race? The intersection of race, class, and hobbies? The ethics and economics of the sourcing of wool?
Just because there are aspects that can be political doesn’t mean a hobby itself is political.
I mean digging a hole can be a threat under specific circumstances but that doesn’t mean that all digging of holes is inherently threatening.
Everything is political.
Everything.
The idea that anything could be political is good for keeping an open mind, but it is not inherently true without making ‘political’ so vague to be meaningless.
Rain is not political. How we use rainfall can be political, as well as the impact global warming has on rainfall payterns. That doesn’t make rain itself political.
I take your point.
A water molecule is not inherently political, there is no ‘politics’ one can observe under an electron microscope.
However, I am approaching from the perspective that humans are perceiving that water. And given that humans are political with everything then all actions/perceptions humans have are political.
How is !stick@sh.itjust.works political?
This game is a good thought experiment that you can play yourself.
It can help to see connections and interests in all the different facets of society.
I’ll help you out with the stick community though (I’m sure you can think of lots of other examples of how it’s political):
Take a wood product into a country with strict quarantine.
Maybe one of those sticks was removed from a protected area.
Try carry that stick into a secure area, suddenly it’s a weapon. You don’t agree? Better argue your case to politicians who wrote those laws.
Reminds me when someone told me that !houseplants@mander.xyz was political due to the way plants are managed in flats.
Fine, if the “political” label isn’t appropriate (which could indeed be the case), how about “stress inducing”?
May I interest you in some other totally non-political Trad-Wife content then? /s
Please no 😅
It’s hard for me to tell if this comment is sarcastic or not. Considering we’re on Lemmy, I guess it’s serious? But it really feels like it’s straight from a skit.
I read it as a series of rhetorical questions intended to illustrate how crochet is political, even if nobody is going in with the intent of being political (e.g. a crochet group specifically for PoliticalPartyNameHereMembers, people creating crochet projects showing support for this or that politician’s platform).
That said, if they approached me at a crochet group asking me those questions I would feel very uncomfortable. And then I’d torture myself over okay but are they doing that because the discomfort is needed to encourage you to make a change for the better? Or are they just enjoying making me feel bad for having enough privilege to have a hobby? Or am I just presuming bad intent on their part so I do not have to face the uncomfortable thing and make an inconvenient change? My own shocker I’m not white guilt complex may or may not be showing—I’m painfully aware how bad others have it while 1) I don’t have it nearly as bad through no merit of my own but mere chance, and 2) I don’t dedicate my every waking hour to optimizing these less fortunate peoples’ outcomes. I guess what I was trying to get at here is, point gotten that crochet is political, but (perhaps because of my own personal hangups, as well as the usual issues involved in reading tone online, with no tone of voice or body language to guide us) it also reads kind of confrontational instead of just calmly informative.
How do you obtain materials for knitting? Your choice is political.
Why did you choose to participate in !crochet@lemmy.ca? That was a political choice.
I think there are two issues:
- It sure would be nice if there were some “choose my experience” features at a broader scale than individually taking responsibility for blocking all the noisy instances and noisy people, for whatever your personal definition of noise is. A checkbox like “hide political content” or “downplay political content”, and then similar checkboxes for meme content, content for a particular geographical region, popular media and entertainment, and so on, would be an absolutely wonderful thing. I think PieFed has something somewhat similar to this but it’s at about 10% of where it could be. I think Lemmy inherited Reddit’s “you can either have the default or else invest a huge amount of time into customizing” model, but it doesn’t need to. We should have a lot more rich ways of deciding what the algorithm and experience is going to be than just a massive array of individual “yes” or “no” buttons.
- Some of why your suggestion would be nice is cultural, not technical. People seem like they like to have their “home” instance where they can kind of make friends and read content from like-minded people, irrespective of how whatever algorithm is tuned. Personally I love political content and news, but I could see an instance that just turns it all off for people who aren’t into it being a rare island of wholesome interactions on Lemmy, simply because of the types of people who would choose to go there. We can go back to watching the world falling down around us some other time.
We can go back to watching the world falling down around us some other time.
Seems like a nice conclusion.
Thank you for your comment!
If you removed political content from Lemmy there would be nothing left. All the other communities are dead.
I see lots of at-least-weekly-active communities that aren’t politics but also don’t garner hundreds of upvotes. I’m not sure what the “dead” threshold for you is. Admittedly I also avoid political content like the plague and hide out in my little Subscribed-sometimes-Local hole, but the fact I can do this at all and come back to new posts every day means all the other communities are not dead. They just don’t critical mass. Even without algorithms specifically tuned to push people to outrage bait, engagement bait, people still just naturally interact more with the outraging things.
Unless you are joking and I just ruined it.
They are not, as mentioned in the OP: https://feddit.org/post/6554534
20 active communities which are not politics, news, memes or tech
They are indeed drown in the political content, but that’s what this suggestion is trying to solve
There would be Linux, Garfield, Calvin & Hobbes, and soooo much anime. Why is there so much anime!?!
ani.social user, hi!
I’m honestly not sure where people get these images from. Yes, they do often post the source, but I wonder. Is someone specifically searching for art to post on all those communities? Does the art just turn up in their usual browsing and they pass it onto us here?
Something something people visual content engagement blah blah idk?
At least it’s all on one instance
Linux is semi-political, a most of the talk revolves around Foss in general not Linux itself
Anime would definitely have to be blocked for a good user experience
Sad but true
My instance already blocks hex, grad, and ml, so I’m halfway there lol.
The politics/news communities here, though, are present but highly curated since many of them do not meet our standards for preventing misinformation. Seriously, our rules are very strict after I first got started with Lemmy and saw what a complete shit show worldnews at
.mlwas.Defederating from the big 3 “extreme” instances is one thing and very doable. The problem with running a dedicated “no news/politics” instance would be preventing users from subscribing to any. The admin would have to on top of every news community that shows up and then administratively remove/hide those. That’s going to be a chore.
The admin would have to on top of every news community that shows up and then administratively remove/hide those. That’s going to be a chore.
Yes, and that brings another concept that Bluesky has and that we could use: crowdsourced blocklists. That way people can just add to the blocklist, and it gets blocked for everyone subscribing to that list.
In our case it would be done instance-level (we would need some hack so that other people can add to the communities blocklist of the instance) but the end result would be the same.
For what it’s worth on the newer versions of Lemmy with the ability to import settings files, you can create and share json files of blocked instances/communities without overwriting other user settings. Not as streamlined as what you’re describing, but it’s an option given current circumstances.
E.g.
blocklist.json
{"blocked_communities":["https://lemmy.site/c/meh","https://lemmy.site/c/mehbutmoremeh"],"blocked_instances":["unpleasantlemmy.site","lemming.mean"]}Oh, interesting! Would that overwrite the currently blocked communities, or could this be reused on a regular basis?
[…] you can create and share json files of blocked instances/communities without overwriting other user settings
I finally got around to testing this and found that it doesn’t overwrite existing blocks, merely adds them to your existing list. I made sure that the import file only contained new blocks and not duplicates to verify. You have to refresh the page to see the changes, and may take a few seconds depending on list length/instance performance, but it works.
Very interesting, thanks!
I think themed social sites are the way to go for the fediverse, almost to the point where the theme doesn’t matter. Any theme. Any raison d’etre beyond “to be a general interest clone of what already exists”. So yeah, I think this is a good idea.
I think the suggestion also highlights some moderation/administration features that were missing when I first tinkered with self-hosting Lemmy a year ago. Are there tools to allow users to access these types of communities while keeping them hidden from the ‘All’ feed? There wasn’t last year. It would be ideal to designate sites and communities that are A) totally blocked/banned, B) accessible/subscribable but only via direct url search, C) searchable, but not available in All (or even local, for hidden local communities), D) accessible via All. Or even having different discovery vectors selectable via binary selection. The fine grained filtering to do such a thing would be a real boon in general, especially for sites that want to remain thematically focused, while not handcuffing users who want to be able to view stuff that’s off-topic.
Are there tools to allow users to access these types of communities while keeping them hidden from the ‘All’ feed?
Not that I know of, and that’s the core of the issue.
You can do this with
/api/v3/community/hide, or in the database by settingcommunity.hidden. Unfortunately this is not available from lemmy-ui yet.@OpenStars@discuss.online seems like an interesting feature
That’s great, thank you!
Yeah, so no change from last year. That was a core reason I abandoned my exploration of Lemmy for use hosting my softball team discussion group. I couldn’t prevent it from becoming polluted with my other community subscriptions.
It’s a totally overlooked usecase, that I increasingly believe should be a core use case for the software.
The question probably goes down to: should a member of your softball team discussion group be able to use that account to subscribe to !politics@lemmy.ml ?
Anyway, in your case, people would have
- local feed about the team
- All feed for all (minus the one you would defederate)
- Subscribed for their preferred communities
If you set the default feed to Local, that could work?
Should they? Yes. Focused sites should at least have the option to letting members follow unrelated communities.
But those communities shouldn’t necessarily be visible to everyone else, even via All. My teammates don’t need to be able to fingerprint each other’s niche hobbies, political interests, other-language communities, etc., even if I want to let them engage in those things however they like.
Like, maybe I don’t want politics@lemmy.ml showing up in All, but still want to let users find it and subscribe to it if they know it exists. That’s a real and reasonable use case, I think. But with fediverse software, end users introduce content into the All feeds, and thus into each other’s line of sight. The inability to restrict that at the instance level is quite limiting with respect to the kind of site one might want to present to the world.
The end result was going with a traditional forum. I’m watching nodeBB to see how stuff like this will be handled longer term.
The end result was going with a traditional forum. I’m watching nodeBB to see how stuff like this will be handled longer term.
Sounds good. Which forum software did you use?
I would argue something like starter packs would be a better fit for this particular feature.
Maybe a starter pack that includes a starter blocklist? 🤔
Except instance blocklists don’t really work much, and are too controversial, and some kind of community sourced user blocklist also is far too controversial. Libs blocking tankies, tankies blocking neolibs, so many in the middle blocking neither, or perhaps both I dunno:-P.
far too controversial?
Why? We could at least give it a try and see how it goes
Agreed.
That’s kinda what Bluesky has with their “moderation lists” or whatever it’s called. They have an entire dedicated MAGA one that blocks all MAGA accounts that join Bluesky automatically for whoever is subscribed to it
The issue is that starter packs would require development. This proposal can be implemented using the existing tools.
Not really, you would just need a community that’s focused on posting starter packs, and for people advertising Lemmy to others to direct people to that starter pack community when checking out Lemmy. There are things that could be developed to help make starter packs more useful, but it could start off as simply as just people making posts with lists of communities that people interested in crocheting or whatever should go check out.
We already have !newcommunities@lemmy.world that is supposed to fill another issue (discoverability of communities), and every week someone asks “how can I discover communities” on !asklemmy, someone points !newcommunities to them, and they say they weren’t aware of it.
It’s even in the rotating instances messages of Lemmy.world, but still.
Some interesting facts:
- the release date of 0.19.3 was 2024-01-24
- also one year ago, when Lemmy.World defederated from Lemmygrad.ml, they said “Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.”
- two years ago this post also mentions “Unlike Mastodon, Lemmy does not provide a feature for individual users to block an instance (yet). This creates a dilemma where we must either defederate [or]…”
Fast-forward to today, and Lemmy still does not offer the ability to block users from an instance. Or for reports to federate to moderators on remote instances. The pace of development is quite slow, and shows little signs of speeding up. Furthermore, why would those same admins of lemmy.ml be in favor of sharing the same power that they wield on that instance with everyone using this software?
Rust is not a language conducive to making many changes to the codebase. I predict that one year from now there will be little change in the Lemmy software, with people still begging for features that they hoped for two years ago already. To be clear it’s not the fault of the developers, but of people having too high expectations and hopes.
So yeah, the OP idea is a good one, but I’ll cover that separately and here just wanted to say that the slow pace of new features is by design of the language used, and people must simply get used to that.
Furthermore, why would those same admins of lemmy.ml be in favor of sharing the same power that they wield on that instance with everyone using this software?
I’m not too sure. If tomorrow someone came up with a pull request to add that feature, the devs would have to accept it, or publicly admit they actively reject that feature, which would probably create a platform wide drama
I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a “default block” system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you’ve mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).
Users can then choose to unblock these if they want to engage with that content without moving instance.
While portability is kind of a feature of the lemmyverse, your posts don’t come with you so likely people wouldn’t want to move off the “default” instance, which would create another problem with centralized instances.
I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a “default block” system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you’ve mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).
The issue is that requires development on Lemmy. The proposal in the OP can be done with the existing tools. Otherwise, I agree with you, what would be more elegant.
Not necessarily. Here is a discussion with a mod of sh.itjust.works who provided an alternate idea:
something like autoblocking the instance on user creation… which might make more sense than outright defederation. A bot could probably be made to do that and send them a DM with instructions on how to change it off they so wish.
Edit: it still would not block actual users from those instances though - only defederation, PieFed, or the Sync or Connect Lemmy apps can do that.
A bot could probably be made to do that and send them a DM with instructions on how to change it off they so wish.
Hasn’t a bot have to be developed? 😄
I never saw an announcement to that effect, though I don’t have an account on sh.itjust.works. Elsewhere in that thread other admins voiced strong support for Lemmy.ml so there may be quite strong push-back to such, even being easily reversible, even for strictly new accounts, even though it makes the issue opt-in rather than currently where the have to expend ENORMOUS efforts to opt-out. Also iirc the issue of site content warnings came up and took focus in the conversation to see how that might play out in the then-future.
People have been asking for such tools for 2 years now - here’s a post from ml itself asking for finer-grained controls. And another that said not yet, but given all the things they listed seems like it would say the opposite today (e.g. suppression of anti-ccp views appearing on ml, which I suspect was happening even back then too).
Despite that, no major instance has wanted to separate itself from ml. This is their software, apparently it’s their network too. We don’t even have a name for the part of the Fediverse that isn’t either Lemmy or the Threadiverse that would by definition include Meta’s Threads (Mbin and PieFed are too small, and Sublinks non-existent yet). And a Google search of the word Lemmy pulls up ml as the first instance hit.
Ofc if we’re changing that now, then I think that’s awesome.
no major instance has wanted to separate itself from ml. This is their software, apparently it’s their network too
Lemmy.cafe still has issues with the pictures. I suggested the admin to reach out to another admin, let’s see how it goes: https://lemmy.cafe/post/9986198/9302079
Maybe discuss.online could consider it? You started the thread about hexbear a few months ago, and it was positively received by the community.
We don’t even have a name for the part of the Fediverse that isn’t either Lemmy or the Threadiverse
It might do a post on !fediverse@lemmy.world to discuss that. It would indeed be better to have a term to call Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin, having to list them all each time get old quite fast.
And a Google search of the word Lemmy pulls up ml as the first instance hit.
For me it’s the musician first. “lemmy instance” shows Lemmy.world as the first instance, after https://join-lemmy.org/instances, reddit threads and the Wikipedia page
I made such a post, but ironically federation issues prevented the vast majority of people from seeing it (except those I sent explicit links to as part of other ongoing conversations) until several days later, at which point it got buried in the past posts and wouldn’t have shown up even in New.
And that experience convinced me that essentially this is Lemmy. The apps are not always such, and PieFed and Mbin are like the apps: they work to communicate with “Lemmy”. Content is hosted at places like !tenforward@lemmy.world, which is “Lemmy”, even if you access it from Mbin.
It will not always be this way, especially if Lemmy.World switches to Sublinks (or PieFed?), but it is now. I still would like to use a more inclusive term, but I am not sure what it should be.
Ah yes, I remember. That was unfortunate indeed. I might just repost your post to get a new discussion rolling 😄
Just join a catmeme instance and browse local, not all.
Slrpnk.net doesn’t have any politics on it. You can read about mushroom and collecting rainwater and recycling and never encounter anything polarising.
Edit :
The other thing, is that most of what passes for politics on Lemmy, is really just news and rage bait. Very few of the hundreds of submission about what Trump said or What China did, or what Pelosi think are political, they just amplify inflammatory messages
Slrpnk.net doesn’t have any politics on it.
Looks like our plan to secretly implant political ideas is successful then. The best propaganda is the one you don’t notice at all 😅
On a more serious note though: sure, feel free to enjoy the not directly political communities on our instance.
https://slrpnk.net/?dataType=Post&listingType=All&sort=TopDay
- Memes about Zuckerberg and Meta
- Screenshot about exploitation of people
- Drawing about fires and their monetization
- Comic about the military being a trap
- Comic with making the USA part of Denmark
- Meme about the fires
- Meme about people getting homeless after the fires
By browsing all, you will be limited to your instance, while most of the interesting communities (whatever your interests are) are on others.
In that case the other commenter is right - remove that and you have next to nothing.
But You either shield people , or you don’t . If people wants to explore annd find communities , surely they understand there will be some they like and some they don’t.
Eh. I’ll stick to the communities i moderate. I’m more interested in silly fun stuff
And there’s nothing wrong with that all.
Me liking printed books more than ebooks is already a political matter, so… that would be difficult to offer political-free content.
I think I already mentioned it, but my idea would be to have nothing for newcomers (so they don’t get to see even a single political, or low effort post) beside a few tags/keywords/categories they could click in order to start having content displayed in their feed that they actually want to see, no matter how good or how bad it would be ;)
edit: typos
By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?
The keywords/categories is a nice idea (similar to what https://piefed.social/ does with its “topics”), but would require modifications to the Lemmyy codebase. The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)
By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?
the tags/categories I mentioned would do that. Nen users are supposed to know what they’re interested in or what they’re curious about so they would select those.
The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)
I have little to no understanding of the technical considerations but I would think that if a technique involves defederation/blocking it also means it won’t be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).
it won’t be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).
Indeed, but it would already be an improvement to what we have now, and we can try it today, without having to wait for someone to modify the Lemmy code to add tags/categories for new joiners
Oh, 100% agree here, just wanted to make sure I understand your suggestion well ;)
