If I didn’t have ethics, I could con so many religious people…
I think about this sometimes I could go to school and build a career for myself, or I could make way twice the money in half the time doing shit like this.
Sometimes I hate that I have a sense of guilt. Life would be so much easier if I were a psychopath
But psychopaths never feel love
They either completely lack or struggle with recognizing emotional empathy.
I don’t think that’s true? They have a dysfunctional guilt/shame system but they still have other feelings, right?
Interestingly, a quick google didn’t really answer this. It seems pretty split as to whether they can or can’t. I don’t think there’s really a definitive answer. My guess is that it probably depends where you fall (I imagine it’s a spectrum like most things), and some can, some cant
That suits me just fine
If it makes you feel any better, it’s probably hard to figure out when to get out. You’ll always feel like you can do just one more because the last one worked out so well, but each time you cash in, more people will see the truth and might want in on it until you find yourself in a situation where you can’t stop even if you wanted to because then the others who you are propping up will turn on you.
So what if they turn on you? Once you’re rich just admit it’s a scam and walk away. The believers will continue on.
Jehovah’s Witnesses predicted the end of the world in 1914. When that didn’t happen they lost members but came back quickly enough. Then they predicted it for 1975. Same thing happened, and now they have more members than ever.
There were likely some Mormons and definitely some fellow Freemasons in the angry mob that killed Joseph Smith. He was in way too deep to just walk away, even if his brand of narcissism would have allowed him to contemplate that.
As the other commenter mentioned, things could get violent. Being wrong about a prediction means that the leaders look as dumb as the followers, but saying outright that you scammed the followers means you deliberately made them look stupid.
But even if they aren’t mysteriously angry about it, it’s still illegal. I wonder if the prosecutors going after Trump plan on going after him again from that angle once they prove his election steal claims were fraud because he used those claims to solicit donations.
If it was illegal to scam people in the name of religion the world would be a much better place…
It’s not the legal status (fraud is already illegal), it’s proving that it is indeed a scam rather than some dumb shit they actually believed, as well as knowing that it’s more likely to trigger a persecution complex and doubling down than improve the lives of the victims (because if it’s a plot to harm their religion, they don’t have to feel like idiots for giving the scammer money).
It’s a different story if the religious scammer openly admits that it was always a scam and just doesn’t care what anyone thought of it. Easier to prove and the victims are already angry and feeling like idiots for falling for it.
Oddly specific haha
It is completely ethical to remove the funding power from those who would cause others to suffer.
Just sayin, you have options.
Yeah, but you’re not really conning the higher-ups, you’re conning the grannies who are going to church and giving away their social security money. And they really don’t deserve to be conned even if it would be easy to con them.
They’re going to be conned. Might as well be by someone who can help them with that money.
Argumentum ad lgnorantiam
Argumentum ad pessimism, actually
Can you explain what that means, and what the other guy said please?
He called me an idiot. I said no, I’m a pessimist
If that is unethical then all of religion is unethical hey wait a second…
I long ago came to the conclusion that a slice of the American Dream is still out there to be had, as long as you don’t mind cutting it out of a bunch of suckers and rubes. Alas, my petty sense of morality is stopping me from joining the ranks of the wealthy elite, but at least I can sleep at night knowing my lifestyle isn’t directly financed by the misery of people I made a conscious choice to hurt.
That’s almost universally true at the multimillionaire and above level unless you inherited it all. You don’t get that rich without stepping on everyone you can to get there.
Elon Musk has ruined a ridiculous number of people on his way to the top and he continues to do it.
Conning religious people isn’t unethical /s?
Could easily rationalize it. Suckers are going to find a religion to con then no matter what. You could provide a less harmful option.
I’m not saying you should, but you could find a way to justify it. It’s pretty easy money.
I don’t think a ‘less harmful’ con makes the con any more ethical. And I don’t want to take poor people’s money. A lot of people giving to televangelists are people living on social security and the like.
I knew a kid who’d go door to door in neighborhoods requesting donations for the poor.
In his mind he was being honest because he was “the poor”
To be fair, this was the pre-existing model for GoFundMe. That kid could’ve been a millionaire if he dreamed bigger.
can i start a gofundme just asking for money for no reason and see if anyone gives it to me
Absolutely.
Reminds me of the Human Fund and its slogan “money for people”.
Ah the classic Empty Pocket Society
So you accidentally learned the greatest lesson the church has to offer. Salvation for a profit.
Also, religious fanatics are really gullible
Well…they are religious. SKY CAKE!
Honestly. I think that’s what many of the nutjob protestors and “commentators” do. Why work a real job when you can be paid by suckers to jetset around the country/world spouting controversial views.
That’s basically what Fred Phelps and crew did.
Since it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven, relieving said rich man of their excess wealth is actually a kindness. Therefore this is an ethical life pro tip.
While everyone’s telling their stories. In middle school. My friend had a game shark book with game shark codes and he would write them all out and then sell them to kids that didn’t have a game shark.
Game shark, my god you brought me back. Shit, now you got me thinking about Game Genie too.
Codebreaker for PS2 was my daily use cheat disc back then lol
Game genie and game shark I remember, I totally forgot about codebreaker!
First gameshark I had for my PS1 was a little brick that went into the serial port. Fucker didn’t work and I couldn’t return it for a refund. Some time later, I got a gameshark as a CD and that one worked wonders. Too bad it would crash if I saved too many extra codes into the memory card.
I did something similar when I was like 11. Went on a “canned food drive” around the neighborhood because it was summer and I was hungry.
To be fair, my family was poor and used services that actual drives would benefit, so I just cut out the middle man.
Full circle since I Rember reading that blink got started telling schools they wanted to play concerts in gymnasiums to spread a positive Christian message.
Brilliant looping going on, even betterer then banananana
When I needed a job I went to church and asked them to pay that a job would come my way. Had 3 offers before I left
Pay or pray?
Pay to pray
Pray to get paid?
Pray to get laid
Lay to get paid.
You’ll get far in the tiling business
Is there actually any way literal grown adults fell for this
Why are their pastors driving lambos
God’s gift, obviously
<3
Have you ever talked with fundamentalist? It’s not only plausible, but those adults have probably done the same thing while actually being serious about the preaching part in the concert
Yes.
Religious fanatics are that gullible, they do after all believe in really shittily written fairytales as if they’re real.
Yes! I went to an evangelical church run private school. They had the brilliant idea to send good “strong Christian” students to raves and parties to narc on their classmates that attended said raves and parties. I wish I was making that up.
Damn. I went to Jesus school from first grade all the way through high school. Doing something like that would have been a real quick way to get your ass kicked into a Jesus loving grease spot.
Depends on the town. Some of the ones in the Bible Belt? Absolutely possible. In others it’s completely possible they knew the kids were lying and decided it was fun to play along and get them to a concert.
I’d be astounded if they didn’t.
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My best friend and I wanted to go to a Blink 182 concert in high school but couldn’t afford tickets, so we told everyone in our extremely Baptist Oklahoma town that God called us to spread the gospel at an evil secular concert but we needed donations to get in. We turned a profit
So much circle-jerking in this comments. This person is literally stealing but its fine if its from the “bad guys”.
This community isn’t called LemmySeriousDiscussionPost
They’re grifting grifters. I see no problem.
How are people donating their own money grifters?
They wanted those kids to go at a concert and “spread the gospel” to people who paid to be there. Not sure about you, but I know I wouldn’t take that well.
Sure, but that’s not a grift.
The Baptist church is the grift. As is the majority of modern organized religion.
Okay sure, but by taking their money, that’s just doing the same thing the church is criticized for, taking money under false pretenses.
Grifting the grifters would be defrauding the church, not the congregation.
Ah, shit. You are correct my ass was too stoned. My bad.
Whoops, you’re right, my bad. I’m not a native speaker and mixed “grifter” with “griefer”.
Well considering that this is 100% fake bullshit, it’s probably not even worth asking that question.
