Problem solving. Maybe we shouldn’t have pushed STEM so hard to the underpaid, unemployed, underinsured masses.
-Somebody with the wherewithal probably
it’s getting really difficult to not find him attractive
I love how transparent the billionaire media is now. everything I’ve heard about this guy is a character assassination or speculative at best.
they even mobbed the highschool he graduated from…EIGHT YEARS AGO. All to get some clips they can piece together to fit the narrative that he’s “a bad crazy man with a gun”.
this shooting has certainly scared the fucking shit out of the aristocracy though. you can tell how scared they are by how hard the media is pushing the story of his capture.
No, Mr Mangione! A Fortune 500 executive is a living, enterprising creature!
I don’t care…heheheh <ebike swerves onto sidewalk>
The article spelled Hero wrong…
I admit I’m kinda disappointed. He pulled out almost perfect assassination that looked well thought out, managed to get away with only a few hickups in his plan as far as his face is considered, and then walks around with a murder weapon and a manifesto in his bag? Shame, really. All he needed was to lay low for a while, grow a beard and he’d probably be OK.
Doesn’t look like the guy on the video.
He also had a three-page handwritten manifesto that included grievances with the US healthcare system, a document that spoke to the suspect’s “motivation and mindset”, officials said.
Publish it then.
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
He was carrying it around for absolutely no reason and for long enough to get caught with it? Bullshit, it’s manufactured evidence.
First thought that came to mind as well, it sounds very implausible for him to be carrying a manifesto.
Unless he planned on not surviving
Not surviving what, the bus ride?
The arrest
Another thought I had is what if he was still writing it?
A week after?
I’m totally speculating, but if he’s been on the run, he may not have changed his plans on certain… conclusions.
Perhaps, yes
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This thing about a guy at Macdonald’s recognizing his eyes also sounds bit strange tbh
Ikr
Well, a YouTube account with the shooters name posted a video today titled “truth” which was basically saying that there were videos scheduled to be made public in the near future (presumably on the same account), which would speak to his motivations and mind set or something of the sort.
Instead of telling you about it, I would prefer to just link the video, but according to YouTube, the account associated with the YouTube channel has been removed, so you can believe me or not on this. the video was only up for about 4 hours and when I saw it, maybe 30 minutes before it was removed from YouTube, it had 10’s of thousands of views. I know those counters aren’t exactly real time, so it’s not unreasonable to think that upwards of 100k people saw it, maybe more, and unless one of them saved it, it’s likely that nobody else will see it.
Well well well,
Once, not if, but once it leaks, who ordered this, and who executed said order of this information being suppressed, you’ll have more heads in line for the guillotine.
¡Congrats!
That list is getting long.
It’s still here for now
This is fabricated
That may be so, but the claim in the context that the YouTube handle doesn’t match his Twitter handle is wrong
http://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione
I’m not sure about the claim that the account was created yesterday. This article claims it was created in January, but I’m not sure if that can be verified now that the account has been removed
Lol, Twitter?! Seriously? I’m not even going to click that shit. I know it’s not real.
Pretty sure that YT account was faked, or mis-related to Mangione
It will be impossible to ever know whether or was or not.
Or he consider himself a crusader for a cause more than a vigilante and was carrying it to get more attention to his beliefs.
And yet instead of waiting around to get lots of attention and people *quoting things he said before cops arrived he quietly got on a bus. Doesn’t track.
*fucking worthless autocorrect
My tin foil hat theory is that he was planning out another shooting and got interrupted.
We wouldn’t want to arouse ill-will toward health insurers /s
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Wow thanks for posting
Give them time to write it up! They police are having problems with the shared Google Doc permissions.
and the reading, don’t forget the reading
Historically speaking, pigs can’t read.
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They need dozens of psy PhD types to review it to asses risks and prep narratives to discredit him.
Get fucked, dude is a hero.
Hey you got your account back!!
Are you referring to the 2FA problem I had? I brute-forced it with a simple Bash script utilizing Lemmy API. Our instance doesn’t seem to have rate-limiting.
that is configurable by your admin. while it was useful for you, you should probably raise that problem to your admin.
s e k u r e
Yea, Oh Cool.
Why do I keep reading his name as “Luigi’s Mansion”
Lucky the police got him before he got nintendo’ed.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
America’s working class has a long history of buying into propaganda and acting against their own interests. It’s a huge reason why the medical industry has gotten so bad.
That being said, it’s important to keep our anger focused on the system, not people who are getting suckered by it.
It pains me to see so many people ready and willing to beat up their Trump voting neighbor who fell for propaganda designed for them but not the Trump financing ceos
Simply a lack of class consciousness. America has worked hard since the rise of the USSR to topple workers power through union busting and destruction of community.
Basically we are built by our material conditions.
Reported by a worker at McD. Wtf, they’re the group that would benefit the most from a change in the healthcare system. Idiot.
Or, and hear me out here, we can view this with a little sympathy: there’s $60k in rewards for anyone who turned this guy in, and the person who did it makes peanuts at McDonalds.
Now, I don’t know if I would do it, but I can completely and utterly sympathize why someone who makes poverty wages would turn class traitor for what almost certainly life-changing money.
Well then this person is a moron. They won’t see a dime. Maybe a pat on the head and a gift card from the dollar store.
Employee of the Month
With the review bombing and public hatred of that McDonald’s location? Fired is more like it.
I don’t think that McDonald’s gives single fuck about review bombing
The corporation? Definitely not. But review bombing and boycotting will hurt the profits of that franchised location, and its owner certainly will.
Do people really look at or read reviews of McDonald’s?
You research reviews of McDonald where you are going to get burger? Really?
I meant more like, that’s the best accolade you may get as someone working for McDonald’s. But yes, McDonald’s absolutely has a reason to support the status quo in terms of corporate rule.
No way the average person working at Mcdonalds does anything but blow 60k even if they get it.
Edit: To be clear, I spent 4 years working at one. Good people, bad people, but not much economic sophistication in either group.
Yeah, the fucking idiot will probably all blow it on something stupid like an ER visit.
They’ll let him order anything he wants off the dollar menu!
Which is really just a pack of fries, minus the fries at this point, becaues what store has a dollar menu anymore?
I don’t. Might as well just be a cop if you think like that, plenty of room for bootlicking morons in that profession.
Here here. I’m poor as shit, got no insurance whatsoever, 60k would be somewhat life changing for me. I would never ever squeal on a comrade like that, even for millions.
Neat how that works. Keep the populace poor and they become a wall to wall surveillance system for you. And people worry about technology…
Find out finds everyone
Way ahead of you.
that person might get 60k…
maybe because of this circle jerk, regime will pay out to prove a point.
but there is a lesson in this discussion folks.
Off-topic question: are rewards money taxable?
There’s no reason for them not to be treated like any other income.
If I remember correctly, they can be anonymous. If that’s the case, they wouldn’t really be easily taxable. Still, we are talking about the government here, and if they tax lottery winnings, I would bet they tax rewards.
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shooter and ceo were closer in class than the shooter and working class
Ah, good ol’ “anyone who makes enough money to pay rent is part of the capitalist class, not the working class”
Family supposedly owns a country club. Prominent baltimore family. If that is so, that is definitely up there in the capitalist class and not working class. Still was rooting for him. Just would have alot cooler if was a working class guy.
He was a white collar working class guy. His work history is full of positions at various tech companies working as an engineer. It doesn’t appear that he was handed any sort of dynasty.
He was upper class, and he had better opportunities than your average American, but he was still a worker.
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Some people think anyone whose parents actually owned a house are “the elites”.
No. The CEO earned more in a year than even someone with a six figure salary would earn in a lifetime.
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And yet, despite that was still responsible for less deaths than the CEO
Maybe his family did, but judging by his work history, he wasn’t personally wealthy enough to be owning a country club.
If he was “owns a country club” rich, his work history would mostly just say “Owner and CEO of whatever country club”.
There’s no reason to work any sort of normal job if you have that kind of income rolling in.
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Could well be in debt up to their eyeballs and barely making a profit, for all we know.
I dunno. I’ve never met the narc, and I already don’t feel like he’s on my side.
The downvotes on this really make me question my faith in humanity.
Only the downvotes?
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
I guess people are saying that they believe there is such a thing as an ethical murder in the streets. Of course in any form of ethics vacuum chamber this can’t stand. But in the real world where children are bombed for the sake of some asshole’s religion, where the president boasts he could get away with murder in the street and courts confirm this, in a world where sick people are left to suffer to boost a share price, then, THEN an act like this becomes a reasonable response to an unreasonable world.
Maybe someone better educated can tell me what ethics scholars have to say about how an ethical actor should behave in a system where ethics have utterly broken down. Right now, the crowd is saying “like that guy.”
I’m ill-disposed to wag my finger at them, and think the only ethical course is to address the corrupt environment in which this act occurred, because that environment undermines any one-dimensional ethical evaluation of this murder in the street, and that makes me deeply uncomfortable.
To be charitable, other people can have different views on ethics.
For example, if harming a CEO who helped raise claim denial rates from less than 10% to 30% results in revised policies and less overall suffering, that could be morally justifable to some.
Vigilante justice indicates a failure in the system to administer justice.
It is absolutely in society’s interest that someone who has caused deaths and misery of thousands is punished.
Punished, sure, but not murdered.
Luigi wasn’t really in a position where he could stop the CEO through any lesser use of force.
And that’s because it’s not his job to do so. Not every problem needs to be solvable by any given individual.
If he really was that passionate about the problem, he should’ve run for office to get into a position to solve the problem, or at least joined forces with some group that pushes for causes he believes in. Or started a business to compete with those businesses he disagrees with. Those would all be proactive steps he could take. Killing a CEO doesn’t solve anything, another will take his place, and surely he knew that.
Are you advocating torture?
No, investigations by the various 3-letter agencies.
We have a president who says that he could do exactly what The Adjuster did, and get away with it. If the president can do it, why not this guy?
I don’t like it, but this is our world right now.
Hey DM, can I get a reroll?
What about the cheering on of murder in the street?
Nah, that rich fuck had it coming, shooter is a hero.
The comment I replied to wasn’t cheering on a murderer.
The comment I replied to was trying to convey that an impoverished person may feel like the reward money for turning in a murderer outweighs any moralizing over the murder itself. That the dollar figure could be literally life changing and they may feel they have no option but to turn them in.
And people downvoted that. Hence my shaken faith in people’s ability to empathize.
$50k is 1-2 years pay for the person who reported him. For them, that short term relief was worth more than the highly improbable outcome where this man’s actions actually impact their life in a positive way in the next few months. Money wins almost every time
I’m glad the rat will most likely get denied their pellet.
One doesn’t have to go far to find a boot-licking class traitor who thinks if they run the rat race well enough they’ll get a piece of cheese.
But to be fair to the McDonalds worker, the cash reward is designed to do just that.
We can’t tell you who squealed, but it was one of the dozen employees at this McDonald’s. Probably the one that’s going to change jobs soon…
I’d be pissed and scared if I was an employee at that McDonald’s
Idiot yes but we can’t be too harsh on the pedon… so much education needs to be done, and these recent events is a good time for outreach and education.
Unity is the message. Luigi did the hard work, least the plebs can do it show some solidarity.
Class solidarity is for those who can afford it
Tell that to the social Democrats that build labor rights brick by brick a century ago. A lot of times they litterally starved on strike.
You’re right. But they would have literally starved or been mangled by a machine if they had done nothing. Back then, the greatest weapons the top 1% had were hired guns.
A century ago, your choices were to die today on strike, or die tomorrow from starvation or work conditions, even if you play by the rules. Now, the greatest weapon the 1% has is complacency. You can die today on strike or you can play by the rules and the corporate overlords will feed you just enough until you become too expensive to feed.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative? Complacency is a killer.
How do you ask someone to starve when they have a legitimate alternative?
I know this was more of a rhetorical question, but for anyone who is legitimately asking this question: you show them that it’s not actually a binary choice. There’s options like communism and unionization that can both protect them and feed them.
The best part of long-term solutions is that they’re actually solutions. The worst part about immediate satisfaction is that it’s only immediately satisfying. If someone has an immediate problem, it’s hard to get them to look at long-term solutions.
Sorry, I’ve been a major downer today…
in practice it do seem like that…
But the Adjuster was from well off family, and not all of us dirt poor… i don’t blame the snitch here.
I do expect most people to be able to do their part tho… if wage slaves can’t rally around this, we gonna have another generation of the fuckening.
make no mistake, the owner class will punish us hard for this.
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I don’t blame the worker either. I don’t know their story, but if someone told me that I could either keep my mouth shut or feed and care for my family, I’d probably get chatty too. $60K isn’t enough to feed you for life, but it’s enough to get reliable transportation, clear a little debt, and buy a little time and cloth to interview for a job that pays better than McDonald’s.
What I’m saying is that it’s really hard to live by high standards when getting fired from your shitty-ass job could destroy, yet it doesn’t pay enough for you to escape. Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Once again, class solidarity is for those who can afford it.
Ok, where are you going with this?
middle 60% of america can’t afford to not be a bootlicker?
The middle class income ranges from $17k per person up to $90k per person. I hope you don’t think that I’m trying to belittle anyone. Someone making 90K can definitely afford to not be a bootlicker; a family of four averaging nearly $17K per family member is gonna have a much harder time.
The year that I lost my shit-paying job only to find an even worse-paying job with more hours was really fucking tough. If you’d offered me $60K legally when I was making $12K and scrambling for rent, I’d’ve had a really hard fucking time saying no to that. Back then, I was living alone and had very little to live for. Drop me into my current living arrangement and sub that situation: I’m saying yes to the money 80% of the time.
I wish I could say that I’m better than that, but struggling in a capitalist society makes you sick, scared, and desperate really fast. I’m not saying that people with lower income deserve lower expectations or should live by lower standards. I’m just saying to reserve your judgement before shitting on someone and labeling them a snitch before you know whether they could have afforded anything else.
For those of us who can afford class solidarity against the top 1%, we need to remember that the most vulnerable need to be helped up, not stepped on. Instinctually blaming this McDonald’s worker helps the billionaires class far more than many of us may realize.
Maybe I’m off-base, but ultimately, this act of betrayal is unlikely to have an effect on the momentum of this potential movement. Whoever killed Thompson is unlikely to act again, their message was unlikely to be heard while they were in hiding, and if they are the hero everyone believes they also likely would forgive someone who was trying to de-shittify their life a little bit.
If you want this to move forward, pull those below you up so they can join us, not attack them for being on a lower level. Class solidarity is for those who can afford it. It sounds like you and I can afford it, so help someone else be able to afford it. Don’t shun people who are too scared of starving to fight. Feed them.
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He had everything on him to get caught and convicted. I don’t think he wanted to run forever.
Some of us aren’t brainwashed into bloodlust by marxist bullshit, even though we’re poor.
Some of us would like it if we and people like us were not poor for the rest of time.
Because they rely on “tips” , as the corporation is unable to pay a wage that is sufficient to support a basic standard of living. If only capitalist weren’t so greedy they wouldn’t be relying on the tips to survive.
I worked at McDonalds for a few years when I was younger. They didn’t let us get tips.
Also worked there. There is no McDonald’s that has ever allowed tips. It’s against their corporate rules. I even saw an employee get written up for accepting a tip, once.
Jokes on you if you think this is going to change anything
Oh look, something changed: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/12/05/health/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-claim-limits
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Oh look, nothing relevant changed. Looks like my comment still stands.
Need those goalposts moved again? I’d be happy to do it for you for $20.
Don’t need to move goal posts when nothing has changed. Get back to me with a relevant story.
Meanwhile people are still dying because of claims being denied, which you know, is the whole point of this story, or “goal post”.
Here you are saying the actions of people don’t have meaning. You feel smug because you proved yourself right. Seems the only power you have here is convincing others they are as powerless as you.
Does the police media briefing affect his right to a fair trial? They mentioned his motivation and mindset and a note. Apparently he implied money had been planted in the charge hearing.
One of us
So you’re a killer?
I kill bugs all day long.
One of us.
Him… Him, that guy, him, that dude, me, this guy, that guy over there, the dude next to him, the guy by the bathrooms, and the line beside it, the lady by the punchbowl, I don’t know the pronoun of the dj, but I heard them agree as well.
Luigi Mangione is a CEO shooting suspect.
FIFY
Somebody better nullify that jury.
It only takes of working man to get on it to make it flop
And here’s your 12 jury members…
Oh, it’s Mark Cuban, Mark Zuckerburg, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch,
…I could keep this joke going if I used google, but is it sad that I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters “Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general public, and would absolutely convict”?
it would have to be 12 CEOs but they deff aint got to be proper owner oligarch… just scrape some middling f500 roaster with some “nonames”
but yes valid point… but defense can generally strike some of these.
this guy going to need proper counsel, I am assuming fun raising won’t be an issue. he deserves the best.
coupled with proper PR campaign on socials since TV will try to destroy him.
this jury must not convict because the glove don’t fit hehe
Plenty of lawyers, at least some of them talented, will offer to defend him for free.
It could make their career.
defense of this scale will require several million dollars, nobody will do that for free.
also, defending this guy will make you enemy of the owner class. top talent will opt out.
I could name 6 people by memory just by using the parameters "Rich asshole who would have no empathy for the general pub
You should find more about gates than the name
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation
I am not going to watch 70 minutes movie, but according to brief skimming through the discussion it’s about business practice of the Microsoft from times of windows 3.11
I am talking about his today’s undeniable philantropic work and the fact is he is really far from the rest of the people on your list.
People are allowed to evolve and if every billionaire in the world would evolve I’m the same direction he did, world would be better place.
It’s a podcast and you can listen while doing other things. 70 minutes isn’t very long.
You can deny his recent philanthropic work because his libertarian mentality corrupts it. He helped fund covid 19 vaccine research, but also demanded that the patents not be released, so profit could be made. This is in direct contrast to the lead scientist of the poli vaccine opening it up for anyone to make, comparing the ownership of a vaccine to trying to own sunlight.
While there’s evidence that Gates did not participate in Epstein’s parties, he did know about and choose to stay silent.
Gates is a full blown elite larping as a humanitarian when the role of his foundation should be occupied by a tax funded gov org.
I’m fairly certain they’ll just find a new jury
Sure sounds like justice.
we gonna keep trying until we win…
tbh that is the ruling class MO tho
I mean… it does seem pretty fair? If the jury is hung it’s up to the state to retry. If the jury comes back not guilty then that’s the end of it.
Fortunately in criminal trials if the Jury can return a not guilty verdict, that’s game over for the states case. Double jeopardy they can’t retry.
Now if one guy on the Jury opposes a guilty verdict, and no verdict is reached, then the state can retry.
They could also go after him with Thompson’s family in civil suit to destroy him financially, which it turns out is not double jeopardy
Lol … I thought you were asking to nudify the jury
We should spend the next year blanketing NY with information about jury nullification.
100% agreed. Might I recomend making https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ go as viral as possible.
I like that, but there is a major problem with it, and it’s around 2:49 in the video:
Do you have any beliefs that might prevent you from making a decision based strictly on the law?
Grey suggests that saying “No” with intent to nullify is lying, and therefore perjury. He is wrong. Where legislated law and constitutional law come into conflict (and they do in all cases of nullification), it is your duty to strictly follow constitutional law. You must judge the case as a layperson. You are constitutionally obligated to follow your own sense of rationality. That means if legislated law provides an undesirable outcome, you are obligated to “strictly follow [constitutional] law”, and refuse to convict under a lower law.
I can honestly claim to have no beliefs that would prevent me from making a decision based strictly on the law. The 6th Amendment is part of the law, and the 6th amendment requires and empowers me (as a juror) to make whatever decision I determine is appropriate.
Earlier in the video he stated that the jurors cannot be punished for their decision, this applies if the outcome results in perjury.
We aren’t talking about the decision. We are talking about voir dire. You certainly can be charged and convicted of perjury if you lie during voir dire.
But again: it is not a lie to remember that the 6th Amendment right to a trial by jury of peers (as opposed to professional jurists) is constitutional law. It supersedes any legislated law, or any directive provided by any court. I hold no beliefs that might prevent me from making a decision strictly in accordance with the law.
We are talking about voir dire.
Wait, that isn’t just a term from “My Cousin Vinny”‽
My reply would be: “if the law is just, I will make a decision that serves justice”.
And they would respond “You are excused, with our thanks”.
Don’t get creative. The only correct answer is “no”.
I had half a day to think about it when they were selecting jury for a DUI case. I’d rather speak my mind freely for the jurors they’ve already selected, who are present during the full selection process. Normally one might think context doesn’t matter but DUI laws can also apply to a bicycle, which is a perfect candidate for being nullified by the jury.
You can speak freely with the other jurors during deliberation.
Yeah but I also didn’t really want to be on the jury that much. And I didn’t get called up anyway.
This better not be a rickroll…
Careful, in case you haven’t heard, discussing jury nullification is apparently against the rules of lemmy.world. SMH (at lemmy.world admins).
The pinned post on lemmy.world right now clarifies that discussing jury nullification for crimes that have already happened, such as this, is perfectly acceptable. It’s only discussing it with respect to crimes which have not yet been committed which is against the TOS.
Wait, we got a Future Crimes Division? I didn’t know .world was run by a bunch of milky precogs…
If you plan some violence and include jury nullification as some viable part of the plan, and publish that shit online, not only is it kind of useless and lousy opsec, but it will attract heat that is unwanted and unnecessary. It’s literally a conspiracy to undermine nullification at that point, like a false flag. So no, don’t do that, and I back the mods on this.
I didn’t
If you trust them after having enforced an unwritten policy and still not allowing discussion of something that’s perfectly legal.
I do. They’re cool.
What the Multivac?!
I’m not sure that’s true. I’ve had plenty of comments stay up. My guess is either the mod team got their shit together or those comments were deleted for other reasons.
It seems that it was never written in their terms before and had been inconsistently applied, but just in case you hadn’t seen these:
They are certainly empowered to do that, just as I am empowered to block any instance I don’t want to participate in. If they are not tolerant and respectful of my beliefs (even if they don’t share them) then I don’t want to contribute to their community either.
Layperson juries are a fundamental component of criminal justice. The law exists to serve the people, not the lawyers, not the government. Rejecting jurors for understanding the purpose of having a layperson jury fundamentally violates the rights of the accused in particular, and society in general.
