How the hell is he winning so much of the Black and Hispanic vote? Like… any percentage at all?
A higher percent of the Hispanic support than any republican nominee in history (as high as 45%) with closest next being George W. Bush.
Do they just not know that he’s trying to kill them?
Surely this leopard won’t eat MY face!
Apparently not, otherwise they have some serious delusions going on…
…and as low as 29% - depending on which polls you look at. The important thing is to make it seem like a close race so people will keep looking at ads.
That only counts Latino RV in swing states, excluding Georgia. And it’s 31% not 29%. That means it’s not counting the vast majority of Latino voters in the states with the largest Latino populations, notably California, Florida, Texas, or New York. That’s hardly a representative sample. This is the definition of selectively cherry-picking data to support your point.
This is the definition of cherry-picking data to support your point.
“As high as 45%” is another definition of cherry-picking. Here are two articles citing polls that say Harris and Trump are tied and Harris leads Trump, both from the same day. That’s the definition of “depending on which polls you look at.”
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/10/21/harris-trump-tied-battle-latino-black-voters/75682566007/
- https://thehill.com/latino/4944585-harris-leads-trump-battleground-latino-voters-poll/
Calling whatever contradicts you “cherry picking” is the definition of denial.
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Hispanics have a very high population of religious voters and many of them don’t believe in abortion. For many religious people, even if they disagree handily with everything else the Republican party does, they will not vote Democrat because of the abortion issue.
There was a pretty large research study and a bunch of podcasts on it.
This! My guess is that being religious and conservative is at least 75% of the reason why Hispanics would support Trump. My father was a Colombian born immigrant who in my memory always supported the Republican party and the majority of the years after he got his citizenship I’m certain he never voted Democrat. He did come around though before passing in 2023 and I’m pretty sure he did not support or vote for Trump. >
He’s not, he had higher polling with African Americans in the last two elections than actual voters, he had extremely low voting numbers with African Americans, slightly higher with men, but not by that much, it’s really common in politics to have a lot of people doing shady bullshit to see if it will sway elections, also the population nation wide is low enough that getting a sample size that’s actually representative is not likely, even some trusted unbiased polling was using the opinion of one single person to represent all polling numbers in a whole state and the poll was pretty old by that point as well, so with African Americans you see a lot of really strange lookin poll numbers, but believe me, Trump going after Haitian refugees with racist tropes about ‘‘savage’’ and voodoo bullshit made him quite vile to antiracists of all stripes, I don’t think those numbers are going to pan out at all.
Now Hispanics, that’s a whole different story, being Hispanic myself I can tell you, it’s not a solid voting block. We aren’t as good at consistently voting in our own interests. There’s light skinned people who think they’re white enough to be in the whites only club, racism isn’t hard to find among Hispanics, many do hate African Americans and others, so the white identifying crowd can be pretty similar to racist whites in a lot of ways, you also have Hispanics that are very concerned with hyper mauculinity and want the strongest man, and only think in terms of displays vs substance, and there’s deeply religious Hispanics who can get drawn in with the evangelical rhetoric. So your not going to see a big percentage on one vote or issue with Hispanics, it’s always going to be a mixed bag even with Trump’s promise too deport more Hispanics from the US regardless of legal status, or his call backs to ‘‘operation wetback’’ or this bullshit, you just won’t see big sweeping numbers from Hispanics it will always be slip up.
There’s light skinned people who think they’re white enough to be in the whites only club
Bro I’m whiter than sour cream, I’m actually grateful for global warming because everytime it snows no one in my family can find each other anymore, and I’m STILL not white enough to be in the Whites Only Club. You need white skin AND approval from a lot of guys named Ben, Franklin that is, if you get what I’m saying…
Money you need a lot of money.
well you have Cubans for one…
Because most people don’t follow politics that closely and are simply unaware of stories like this, but are vulnerable to the forces of nostalgia and false memories of the first Trump administration, plus lingering fondness from the character he played on the Apprentice.
If Harris loses, I know the fact that they didn’t constantly run ads showing the Pandemic of 2020 asking “Do you really wanna go back to THIS?” is partially to blame
He’s not, the media just wants it to look like a super-close race so people will keep watching ads.
See, at this point… I’m either convinced Harris has pretty much got this in the bag and the media is lying to get people to doomscroll because money, or there’s a Copium Leak and when it’s fixed I’ll see that Trump is coming to kill us all.
The former feels weirdly more valid…
Still VOTE, I ALREADY HAVE! MY STATE HAS EARLY VOTING, FIND OUT IF YOURS DOES TOO!
You probably have confirmation bias based on your environment. I own a contracting company and many in the trades drink the koolaid, and are completely blind that they are voting themselves poor over the long term.
Some people can only learn through pain - they can’t express empathy past what they personally experience - and those people tend to be squarely trump voters. They’ll vote for bacon every day as pigs, and only realize their mistake afterwards.
Who ISN’T experiencing pain in this fucking Hunger Games ass world?
I desperately want to believe that about the media, but Tim Miller and the folks at Pod Save America (whom I trust to be brutally honest) are also constantly talking about how close the race is. I’m so fucking depressed about this shit. We are this close to having a literal fascist as President.
This fucking son of a bitch had to ask John Kelly who the good guys were in WWI.
FUCK.
Nate Silver’s said he’s already calling it for Trump, which doesn’t feel good to know, because the last time he said that Trump won.
He said his gut says it goes to trump, but I’m quietly hoping a lot of women lie about their votes and go for harris.
I was hoping for that, but then I realized swing states legalized marriage voting, where the man can decide the woman’s vote and go into the booth with her to ensure it.
Just one more thing that should absolutely torpedo any political career, that won’t hurt him at all. His MAGAt cultists probably think that was “speaking the truth” or some stupid shit like that. Anyone who would be bothered by his comments has abandoned him ages ago.
Trump was reportedly still irked by the bill later that same day, with him claiming that Guillén’s grieving family was trying to take advantage of his wealth.
“Can you believe it?” he said, according to a witness. “F—ing people, trying to rip me off.”
So this is rather telling, him thinking that the “money of the US government” is “my money”
This is because he desperately is clinging to the ancient ideal (and I mean ANCIENT. Like early Middle Ages ancient) that everything in the kingdom is the direct and personal property of the king.
So in that sense, the billions of dollars allocated to the military every year is actually his money.
And the Veterans for Trump organization of course had this to say on the matter:
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He should not only do it, but he should live stream it.
Somehow, some way, this orange clown makes me angrier everyday, even when I thought I’d seen the worst of him.
I love how Bonespurs is campaigning so hard for Kamala Harris. It’s good to see him doing something useful for a change!
Considering how he treated Ivana’s grave I’m really not shocked that he’d be an asshole about someone he doesn’t know at all.
He had his wife buried for a fraction and stuck her on his shit golf course
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Is anyone surprised by this?
‘I can’t believe someone is trying to rip me off’
To be fair to him that is an exorbitant amount.
I’m not upset that he’s upset at the amount. It’s purely the second half of that sentence that shows what a piece of shit he is
I could see a frustrated dad grumbling about “Price of X” on his own time, and it wouldn’t be the death of their character. My dad has extended frustration to me when I’ve overpaid for things.
What sets this moment apart, to me, is the choice of language for the noun. “a fucking Mexican”. It’s extremely important to me that THAT is his label, and that racial identity somehow influenced the expected cost in his mind.
“Donald Trump raged when he learned the funeral bill for Vanessa Guillén—the U.S. soldier who was sexually harassed and horrifically murdered by a male soldier at Fort Hood in 2020—cost $60,000, a bombshell report revealed Tuesday.
That outburst came after Trump invited Guillén’s loved ones to the White House and offered to pay for her funeral…”
He offered to pay. No one asked him to do that.
Then maybe he should look at what he did as president and realize why he should fuck right off and not ever be seen again.
We never buried my Dad’s ashes ⚱️. That’s dumb. Why go establish a debt to keep someone’s ashes in a bottle. We keep them in the living room. It’s just ashes. I personally agree with Trump on this. He’s still going to loose and am still gonna kick his nuts off when I find him in hell after I pass away. And most Mexicans aren’t fucking…not right now at this moment. It’s daylight. We’re working.
Trump said he’d fund it. He didn’t
If he’s not going to keep his promises, he should f**K off.
Wouldn’t it be great if what we do with our loved ones after their passing is not up to you or Trump though?
Exactly! I don’t care what anyone else does at all with any of their loved ones. And I expect the same. What kind of an asshole stands in between that situation.
This is not someone killed in battle:
Donald Trump raged when he learned the funeral bill for Vanessa Guillén—the U.S. soldier who was sexually harassed and horrifically murdered by a male soldier at Fort Hood in 2020—cost $60,000, a bombshell report revealed Tuesday.
Somehow knowing the circumstances of her death makes Trump’s awful remark even nastier. Especially since he is a rapist.
Guillén, a 20-year-old American of Mexican ancestry from Houston, was buried in her hometown on Aug. 15, 2020. Months later, in December, Trump reportedly asked his advisers in a meeting, “Did they bill us for the funeral? What did it cost?"
When an aide responded “yes” with the bill’s total, Trump allegedly unraveled. “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a f—ing Mexican,” he said, according to people in the meeting who spoke to the Atlantic.
Trump says vile things every day but this has to be one of the vilest.
“This is not someone killed in battle”
That sentence does not prepare you for the rest… Not that it would excuse Trump at all if they died “normally”. And I would say she definitely died in battle, just not in a war, her battle with the SA and everything is just as valid as anything else. I’d change that sentence if I were you.
I hate this man more than words can express
And yet somehow, not as much as I hate the people who will vote for him.
Trump would be nothing without his enablers. They definitely deserve your loathing first.
I have enough loathing to go around
Damn, he was almost close to making a valid comment about how wildly overpriced funerals are today, then instead went full bore into super racism
Because he starts with super racism and goes from there.
Super racism. Almost makes ya reminisce over just plain ol’ regular racism, right?
. . . but not Gary, he’s one of the good ones!
How expensive do you think he’d want his own funeral to be?
His casket is gonna have more gold in it than king tut’s. It’ll be expensive as shit.
I’m not sure he fully grasps the concept of his own mortality
Can’t wait to be able to pee on that grave. It’ll be like a pilgrimage.
Gotta make sure to take the trip to Rush’s and Kissinger’s, too.
He followed through with the sentiment too.
The magazine reported that Trump then turned to his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and ordered him, “Don’t pay it!” That order was apparently heeded by Meadows, as the Atlantic reported that Trump never sent a dime to help cover funeral costs for the slain woman.
So like any other bill.
He pays hookers.
so they don’t leave bad reviews.
Lol
Back in the '80s Trump publicly offered to pay the funeral expenses of a child killed by a bear … and then reneged, naturally.
It’s absolutely vile to invite the mother to the white house, offer to pay, and then later rescind that offer.
If he’d never offered it wouldn’t matter.
This is just so so abhorrent, even for trump.
Racism aside, if I offered someone to help pay for a funeral, I’d choke in my coffee too if I the bill said $60.000 .
This is pocket change for Trump.
Allegedly.
Sure, and all disrespect for trump but say I’m rich and crash my car into your fence and tell you “it’s fine just send me the bill”, there’s a difference when that bill turns out to be 60k
Sounds a bit like the family chose the 'Royale" because of his promise
In that case though they either pay it or get sued. Especially if they have receipts from the company for the work.
Don’t extend generosity no questions asked if you don’t want to follow up on the consequences.
True, but you also wouldn’t have the world’s largest economy and one of, if not the, largest governmental budget in the world like Trump does.
And he also wasn’t paying for it out of his own pocket, it’d come from whatever federal budget covers the costs of military/veteran funerals.
The entire motivation behind this is clearly racism and sexism, plus his overall disdain for veterans/our military in general. Probably stems from a jealousy he has, since veterans tend to automatically be held in higher esteem than grifters like himself, and he knows he could never have handled bootcamp, nevermind the actual military.
He actually did say he was going to pay for it personally, the military might cover some component of it, but it’s in the article saying that he couldn’t reimburse the family through the government:
Natalie Khawam, the family’s attorney, responded, “I think the military will be paying—taking care of it.” Trump replied, “Good. They’ll do a military. That’s good. If you need help, I’ll help you out.” Later, a reporter covering the meeting asked Trump, “Have you offered to do that for other families before?” Trump responded, “I have. I have. Personally. I have to do it personally. I can’t do it through government.” The reporter then asked: “So you’ve written checks to help for other families before this?” Trump turned to the family, still present, and said, “I have, I have, because some families need help … Maybe you don’t need help, from a financial standpoint. I have no idea what—I just think it’s a horrific thing that happened. And if you did need help, I’m going to—I’ll be there to help you.”
Yes, but you wouldn’t:
- offer to pay
- without any stipulations
- while on TV
- while in the white house
- as a person that brags about their wealth
- for a funeral
- of a military person
- in a high profile murder
Any idiot could see that the funeral was going to get out of hand.
If Trump said he’d by me lunch it’d be the most expensive lunch in history.
If someone offers to pay your lunch, or in this case for the funeral of your murdered child, trying to make it ‘the most expensive in history’ to fully abuse that offer just makes you a Sad. person imo. Imagine having it done to you.
To reiterate: It’d make me happy Donnie almost dies in a fire but is kept in a conscious coma for hundreds of years
Well, I don’t care at all if you think I’m sad, but you may have missed your point.
If my neighbour offered to buy me lunch I would politely insist on contributing in my own way. I don’t really want people to buy things for me. That said, I dislike Trump immensely, he brags about his wealth, and if he offered to pay for something for me because the optics look good, I would absolutely abuse that offer. If it were for my daughters funeral presumably that would occupy my thoughts and I wouldn’t politicise it by using my daughters funeral as a way to steal from trump, but there would be no fucks given about the cost.
My point is, “someone” offering to buy me lunch is not at all the same as Trump offering to buy me lunch while interviewing me on TV in the whitehouse because it makes him look good.
Sure, I can understand trying to find ways to ‘get’ Trump, but seeing something that is still somewhat of an act of generosity as an opportunity to scam someone…
Anyway a) he was probably never going to pay this out of his own personal pocket and b) this just resulted in this family to have to pay for their absurdly lavish funeral themselves
But he definitely doesn’t think the same way about the people voting for him…
It will 100% stop her from immigrating.
and voted for you
I never thought the leopards would eat MY face!
That’s the main point I never understood about his voters. His political agenda and your political affiliation don’t even matter. All you have to understand is that everything he does is for his own benefit. Nobody wants an egoist in charge in a smaller setting - why the fuck elect one as president?
It’s as if they all think that they’ll be rewarded for their loyalty to him.
He talks in very “us vs them” styles and it seems like a lot of people respond to that thinking the in group is his supporters. It isn’t, but they’re so sure. And it makes sense, he clearly adores his fans. But the in group is him. Everyone else is at risk of joining the out group on his whim
He talks in very “us vs them” styles
Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words
Because they think that he will hurt people that they’ve been led to hate.
The fact that this election is close makes this all even worse.
Your country is fucked dude.
Bad news: if America goes under everyone goes under. You can’t rip out a backbone of the global markets and expect no fallout.
Oh we do expect fallout, I’ve even been collecting bottle caps.
I almost wrote “and mine’s not far behind”
we’re all fucked, horray!
Behold, first past the post in its natural state!
And this is an american. Republicans should be afraid he can change whatever “american” is whenever he wants.
What’s funny is his dumb brain immediately went with “What are the costs? I can blame the dems for cost” without even considering the circumstances
This is an American actively serving the country.
It’s perfectly emblematic of how Trump doesn’t just ‘other’ people for political gain, it’s built in.
You’re missing a verb but you’re probably right.
Edit: My bad, I misread.
They’re using “other” as a verb. “Othering” people, as in racism
Oh right, sorry, I missed that. Makes sense now - thanks!
I wrapped it in single quotes so it makes more sense. Thanks
At least he said Mexican.
And not…you know…something more racist.
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