also can we get a score card on how are posts are doing?

  • FireTower@lemmy.world
    1671·
    4 months ago

    Realize that this is a small bubble and susceptible to group think. Don’t base your world view on Lemmy.

      • Lemmeenym@lemm.eeEnglish
        871·
        4 months ago

        To reduce centralization. The more spread out things are the less vulnerable Lemmy is to a major loss if an instance shuts down and the less power any single admin has.

          • Don_Dickle@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
            18·
            4 months ago

            The same way you do any other instance just be there for the mods. Update it regulary even if you are the only one to make the instance updating it.

            • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
              76·
              4 months ago

              I still don’t understand the point of DEfederating communities, if the individual users have the ability to block communities from their own personal experiences.

              I see a community I don’t like? I can block it. But why should everybody have to not see it because it goes against MY views?

              But then on the other side of things, I can’t move to another host instance, because all my comments won’t migrate with my profile. Right now I’m hosted on Lemmy.World. And if I transfer my account to another instance, it should say all previous comments would say “Lost_My_Mind@(new instance) Via Lemmy.world”. But it doesn’t. So now I’m stuck here.

              • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
                16·
                4 months ago

                You cannot defederate from a “community”, but you can have your specific user account block either a community or an entire instance (to varying degrees of effectiveness - you can still see posts from people on those instances, and chat with them, but you won’t receive “notifications” from them anymore).

                Defederation from an “instance” is meant as a last-resort effort to avoid an enormous amount of moderation work, like if it keeps sending child porn across the Fediverse, or users are overwhelmingly harassing others or something.

                Here, you can read about such occurrences directly from the sources involved (who chose to do it) like https://hexbear.net/post/1712067, and then various responses in return like https://programming.dev/post/2652745 (tldr: hexbear defederated from them, so they defederated in return to avoid people getting confused from one-sided conversations where messages could be sent but never received) and https://lemm.ee/comment/2155764 etc.

                And yes, you are stuck at your current instance if you care about keeping your account. You can copy your rules like block list from one user account to another though, like I have an alt at StarTrek.online, which mitigates somewhat the pain of having to move. If someone were to try to send me a DM at my old one though, I would not get it at the new account - instead I would have to keep both active, forever. It turns out that the idea that you can move freely around the Fediverse was a lie - or at least, it is something that isn’t fully implemented yet. Theoretically it is something that could be done, if someone were to bother to implement that, but it hasn’t been done yet.

                All of Lemmy is still beta software. It helps to lower expectations:-). It is still 1000x better than Reddit imho, b/c of (a) no ads and lack of other forms of enshittification as well (e.g. automatically playing videos that you cannot stop with a setting somewhere), (b) the people are more worth talking to here (generally speaking; except those places that tend to be defederated by the major instances, b/c of all the harassment they kept doing).

                • snooggums@midwest.socialEnglish
                  81·
                  4 months ago

                  It turns out that the idea that you can move freely around the Fediverse was a lie - or at least, it is something that isn’t fully implemented yet.

                  I don’t think account mobility was ever an expectstion until recently, just that you could access all federated instances from any instance. I can ‘move freely’ with my account to any federated instance without needing separate logins.

              • Lemmeenym@lemm.eeEnglish
                5·
                4 months ago

                I have limited agreement with your thoughts on defederation. The ability to defederate is important because there are instances that host csam and other illegal things. That content federating across all instances could put some instance owners in legal jeopardy and is undesirable even without legal considerations. Beyond filtering illegal content and large amounts of spam I prefer to curate my own experience. That’s why I chose lemm.ee. It’s a general purpose instance with a good admin that is generally well moderated. Lemm.ee doesn’t tend to cause problems for other instances so few instances have defederated from it and it basically only defederates instances that host illegal material or copious amounts of spam.

                Not everyone wants that same experience though. The amount of political posts and doom posting can get overwhelming and depressing. Constantly seeing posts that challenge or attempt to invalidate parts of you identity gets exhausting. More controlled and curated instances can be a nice break from the full experience. Anytime I’ve interacted with beehaw communities it has been pleasant and much less stressful than the general lemmy community. I can understand why some users prefer to stay in that environment for all of their time on lemmy. This is ultimately recreation, users should enjoy their experience here. The same with blahaj, it’s nice to sometimes see content concerning minority identities without there being the same debates in the comments. When I interact with communities there and see how they talk about things I learn and grow as a person. Those discussions wouldn’t be possible on a less controlled instance.

        • dingus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          101·
          4 months ago

          The problem is that Lemmy is already small and niche. I don’t want my account or communities to go poof one day because a small instance admin gives up or forgets about their project. I’ve actually seen users go through this several times.

          I get the idea in theory, but in practice, it doesn’t end up panning out well.

          Self hosting is a thing, sure, but a lot of people don’t at all want to do that.

          • Kedly@lemm.ee
            8·
            4 months ago

            It also leads to most sub instances being so small they’re effectively unmoderated

            • Fades@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              4 months ago

              In addition to splitting up communities to the point where you have to follow multiple of the same community in different instances to get more than a slice of the content.

    • Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee
      264·
      4 months ago

      …and avoid the ones from .ml instances. There’s usually a non-ml equivalent for almost every community.

      • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@midwest.social
        241·
        4 months ago

        Because we’re more conscientious? Because we’re more tech-savvy? Because we’re more suspicious of links?

        IDK but I appreciate it

      • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.clubEnglish
        8·
        4 months ago

        Probably due to the average age of a lot of people on Lemmy. I’ve found that a lot of people who are middle aged or older have a preference for text over video.

        • Sabata
          5·
          4 months ago

          I’m not old, I just don’t want dig though 20 minutes of “content” to watch a 3 second clip. It’s like SEO filler at this point. I’m here to doom scroll, not watch videos. A video feels like hitting a speed bump.

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          4 months ago

          Interesting, I assumed the average age was younger here.

          I wonder.

          Also, I noticed text on a lot of videos on tiktok, and that skews young, right? like vine never had subtitles, but that was a lot of young people too.

          Maybe the culture is just changing, a lot of other countries use subtitles for everything.

          • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
            10·
            4 months ago

            It’s not subtitles, it’s text instead of video.

            As an “older” person, I much prefer one or two paragraphs I can skim in 30 seconds to a 5-10 minute video that is 95% fluff…

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
        415·
        4 months ago

        I suspect it’s some social justice posing bullshit in the name of blind people, but I like it because it’s broken the stranglehold that the “hey instead of reading a 30 second article let’s watch a 10 minute video loaded with ads!” mentality has on gen z.

        • kboy101222@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          41·
          4 months ago

          Heaven forbid those woke ass blind people be able to enjoy life the same as people with full vision!

          Also, it’s a text description of a video. How tf does that help blind people more than just watching the video?

          • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
            51·
            4 months ago

            Text readers are more accurate than video interpreters. Blind people use the internet by having bots read text out loud to them.

    • mke@lemmy.world
      49·
      4 months ago

      Don’t waste you time, energy and emotional capacity trying to earnestly engage with people unwilling to do the same. You will gain nothing. They might gain something, beyond living rent-free in your head. It’s a deal neither fair nor healthy.

      Should probably apply that to every social media, not just Lemmy.

      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
        18·
        4 months ago

        I will caveat that sparring with bad faith actors can be helpful as long as you remember that you are not trying to convince them. You are trying to convince the audience. This is a public forum and debates are public debates.

    • Kedly@lemm.ee
      83·
      4 months ago

      Also, learn to enjoy the downvotes that inevitably come from talking shit about Tankies, for their tears truly are delicious

      Edit: Mmmmm yesssss moooorrreeee

      • hark@lemmy.world
        22·
        4 months ago

        You mean like how the comment you responded to is one of the most upvoted comments on this post?

    • Audacious@sh.itjust.works
      31·
      4 months ago

      Best to block the tankie instances and then tag or block the wild ones in the comment sections as you see them, because commenters can’t blocked wholesale.

    • Alborlin@lemmy.world
      308·
      4 months ago

      And if you say Linux is not good for general purpose, you will get talked like baby, get told the problems you mentioned does not exist for their distro so they are not there. Their grandparents of 80 years has been amusing Linux, I am using windows because I am bad.

      In short don’t you dare say anything bad about Linux and don’t even say it’s not usable cause at 4% market share it’s the most useable OS of all and everything else sucks.

      And you get called baby for saying anything like this.

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        5·
        4 months ago

        Well now I’m curious, wtf have you been saying about Linux?

        Are you telling us that your opinion of Linux is that it isn’t “usable”? If so, what does that mean for you?

  • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
    451·
    4 months ago

    Also, re: The score card thing.

    Don’t worry to much about karma; that’s just a Reddit thing and is part of toxic social media culture. We don’t do that here.

    Unless you are getting mass downvoted, I guess. In which case, try to figure out why or something.

    • mke@lemmy.worldEnglish
      34·
      4 months ago

      This feels like something that should be solved by code, not culture. Users shouldn’t be inconveniencing others when simply trying to share content with all relevant communities.

    • SavvyWolf@pawb.socialEnglish
      254·
      4 months ago

      I disagree with this - on the web client crossposts are only shown once if you are subscribed to multiple communities. It’s useful if the same community is in multiple instances, or if there’s both a general and specific category that the content makes sense for.

      I do think Lemmy could do with improving the UI though, and have communities that span multiple instances.

      • SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        19·
        4 months ago

        For starters it spams all. Also very often people spam a meme in like 10 meme communities and then its all over your feed.

        Lemmy is quite small, one user can make a noticeable difference. Like I’d bet you could check my profile and recognise smth I’d posted. So 2-3 communities is OK, but going beyond that is excessive.

        Now I’m not sure about how crossposts are dealt with, also I’m on an android app anyways. Mostly repeat posts aren’t crossposts but one image in several communities.

      • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world
        7·
        4 months ago

        Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of same communities on different instances, though?

        I think right now we’re in the early days where people haven’t fully realized or understood HOW to use Lemmy.

        I’m subscribed to 4 different Cleveland communities, but only 1 Ohio community. The Ohio community is far more active because there are less Ohio communities, if any others.

        To me the power of Lemmy isn’t that it IS federated, but rather that it CAN be federated.

        As in, Cleveland@instance gets popular. Then the mods get too uppidy. So Cleveland@OtherInstance can be created. That’s always an option to create another similiar community if the old one gets toxic.

        But until you face that issue, why fracture the community???

        Theres like 3 different pro wrestling communities on 3 different instances. All trying to be /r/squaredcircle. Except without the userbase. I say merge them.

        We even saw this a bit on reddit.

        /r/Nintendo got TOO active. To the point where you could make any topic at all. It could follow the rules. It could be on topic. There could be no issues AT ALL with your post. Instantly, there would be a problem. Your post would be removed, and they’d cite some rule that doesn’t apply.

        So, someone made /r/CasualNintendo. With the idea that it was /r/Nintendo with a more casual modding style. Where your posts would stay up.

        After a few years they had the same issues /r/Nintendo had. Too many posts. Too hard to moderate.

        That would be a great example of needing multiple similiar clmmunities on different instances. If the userbase is in the hundreds of thousands, and it would make more sense to start a second community for the overflow, then you can.

        But right now, I don’t see that as an issue Lemmy faces. I don’t think things should be spread out for the sake of preventing future problems, when you don’t have those problems now.

        I like to think of it like a city. You don’t start building out the suburbs first. You build the city. Let the city grow, and when the city starts reaching max capacity, you build out the suburbs.

        Also, forget roads. Everything is a single light rail transit car. The entire city, connected by a grid of rail. All using only 1 train. I’ve played Sim City on SNES. So I’m kind of an expert city planner.

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
        6·
        4 months ago

        Anyone using the “cross-post” feature is doing things properly, so don’t worry, the person you responded to just left that part out. They might be on an extremely old app that hasn’t been updated to handle that feature - but you are good. Thank you for caring…and sharing:-).

    • Etterra@lemmy.world
      242·
      4 months ago

      Well considering we left Reddit because Reddit told us to fuck off, I see no reason not to just repost their shit here. I don’t usually bother, but I’m not against it either.

    • comfy@lemmy.ml
      181·
      4 months ago

      Honestly, I regret not putting more effort into setting up a good foundation here before the API drama hit. There was a chance to fix many of the problems of reddit, and poor communication just let people import all the problems right back.

      Hell, people are still calling communities ‘subs’. Even basic stuff like that. And I’m not blaming people for coming into a place without learning about its culture, unfortunately that’s just normal and it happens. I’m just annoyed we didn’t create ways to educate them easily, like guidebooks and introductions on the sign-up page.

      • LesserAbe@lemmy.world
        18·
        4 months ago

        Specifically about calling communities subs: I think it’s a weakness of the wording. “Community” is a more descriptive name, if a little generic, but for me the shortened “sub” from subreddit is much more natural, faster to type/say. Shortening community to “comm” isn’t distinctive enough for people to know what you’re talking about.

        • comfy@lemmy.ml
          1·
          4 months ago

          I don’t notice that issue with ‘comm’, but maybe that’s just because I’ve been around it and using it for years (just like the indistinct word ‘sub’ becomes meaningful and distinct in context once you see ‘subreddit’ a few times). It was a bit odd the first couple of times I saw it because I already associated the term with ‘communications’, like ‘send out comms’.

      • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
        101·
        4 months ago

        As long as it uses the same temporary discussions system, any social media will be used the same way.

        The only reason I hang around here is because there’s no forum equivalent, and that’s too bad because forums end up with much better and more intelligent conversations with vast amounts of knowledge all in the same place instead of just reposts after reposts after reposts.

        Unless mods wanted to spend 24/7 making sure people didn’t use FOSS Reddit the same way Reddit was used, that was always going to happen, if it hadn’t then people would have went back to Reddit to doom scroll again.

        • comfy@lemmy.ml
          4·
          4 months ago

          The only reason I hang around here is because there’s no forum equivalent

          Equivalent of what? A place where you could make your own communities? (without spinning up a server or being a disconnected island) Yeah, I can only think of imageboard examples of reddit-like DIY community sites, and those… really aren’t what you asked for (very few had intelligent discussions, and by their nature, they mainly just attracted people who got banned from more normal communities).

          Unless mods wanted to spend 24/7 making sure people didn’t use FOSS Reddit the same way Reddit was used, that was always going to happen, if it hadn’t then people would have went back to Reddit to doom scroll again.

          Exactly. There’s not really any point to me crying ‘we’re not a reddit clone! we’re not a reddit clone!’

          • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            4 months ago

            Yeah, a forum equivalent in the sense of a message board where people can create their own sub sections, this way you’ve got ongoing discussions instead of the Reddit system where you can have the same discussion happening multiple times under the same post because messages are threaded instead of being in chronological order.

            Message boards are much better to accumulate knowledge and to prevent repetition…

        • comfy@lemmy.ml
          14·
          4 months ago

          Good question. Especially since a lot of these are things I only notice in hindsight.

          • Volunteer to implement helpful hints at a systematic level, even small things like linking the join-lemmy.org documentation on the signup page by default, and adding placeholder text for instance and community admins to see and tweak for their own rules. I say ‘volunteer’ because the devs were, and are, far too busy to do everything themselves.

          • Create and share around image/infographic guides on why Lemmy is different to reddit. This could actually have been a good promotion tool too, back when we really needed it. I actually hastily made a quick one during the sudden migration, but I don’t think it’s worth digging up, it was very basic and not well thought-through.

          Then again, some people had no real problems with reddit except for the API stuff. The people who came here earlier often had complaints about reddit’s overall community trends, you know, people replying to headlines and clearly not reading the actual article at all, empty fluff like a random pun being the three highest rated comments, buttloads of junk replies like ‘wow’, ‘this’, ‘i wish i could upvote twice’ to scroll past. And I don’t think there’s much I myself could do to fight things like that, without putting in far too much time and effort (this site isn’t my life!).

          • AdNecrias@lemmy.pt
            3·
            4 months ago

            The junk replies, that’s something propped up by the users no? When we bump up posts that we like instead of relevant ones, those things get the visibility. I think.

            As in, I don’t see what would be done besides tons of moderation or short post restrictions. Something I don’t find feasible

            • comfy@lemmy.ml
              4·
              4 months ago

              When we bump up posts that we like instead of relevant ones, those things get the visibility. I think.

              Yep, I haven’t actually checked the ‘Hot’ algorithm code (it’s publicly viewable) but I believe so. And there’s another related tough-to-solve phenomenon in any social media site where the most populist, simple, agreeable things are likely to get the most upvotes/likes/etc., and therefore the most reward. So unfortunately, a front page is often filled with low-meaning content like those jokes, or shallow but agreeable populist platitudes (which there’s nothing wrong with if you’re here for entertainment, but is an issue for more serious communities). I think tons of moderation is also the only cure for that, because I can’t think of an alternate bump system that works (for example, forums which use the ‘last bumped’ system reward posts for getting replies, so flame and troll posts that start rapid arguments rise to the top instead, and posts often just say ‘bump’!)

              As in, I don’t see what would be done besides tons of moderation or short post restrictions. Something I don’t find feasible

              I agree. There could be tricks like auto-moderation software detecting replies that a comm/instance staff considers to be an issue (e.g. a reply just saying ‘this’ or ‘lol’) and auto-replying with a caution against low-effort posting, but false positives could be a pain so it all comes back to more moderation staff in the end. It’s ultimately a network with a very open and growing community, unless you’re in a smaller private community. And Lemmy enables those to be created, so I can be happy with that if I ever want to create a more serious place.

    • Cryophilia@lemmy.world
      55·
      4 months ago

      I hate the company running reddit, but damn the users here suck. It’s getting a little better as membership increases and more normies show up, but yeah. You’re far more likely to find interesting conversations on reddit, still.

  • NotAnotherLemmyUser@lemmy.world
    294·
    4 months ago

    If you want your upvotes/downvotes to actually be private, create a seperate account that only votes and never comments/posts.

  • theherk@lemmy.world
    285·
    4 months ago

    Don’t say anything positive about Apple products or suggest it would be good if there were a democratic candidate other than Biden.

    • Audacious@sh.itjust.works
      103·
      4 months ago

      It’s because apple is generally opposite of this type of place. Lemmy is more FOSS (free and open software), and android is more open than apple. Apple’s closed garden isn’t appealing to most tinkers, developers, and power users. Apple is more main stream and don’t want to bother with setup, settings or tinkering.

      Personally, I hated Apple before even their first cell phone was around, because their software lockouts were infuriating to me, creating a disposable iPod paper weight after only 2 years back then. I never looked back.

  • Dr. Wesker@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    225·
    4 months ago

    Downvote everything you don’t like over and over again, instead of leveraging subscription and blocking functionalities to actually curate your experience.